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Old 03-22-2020, 10:52 PM
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It will matter if you get another crappy frame and it breaks as well.

If I was in your shoes I would have for sure saved my brass (the brass from the ammo that was being fired when the gun broke) and I would be taking them to court and making the matter a really BIG pain in their butt.

The spent brass is all the evidence you need that overpressure was NOT the issue that caused the problem.
If this frame breaks as well I will get it fixed and trade it in.

I would have kept the brass if I knew there was a problem. I didn’t see the crack until I was cleaning the weapon and the cleaner soaked into the crack making it clear. Being at the range and not reloading for 10mm and not knowing it was a problem I didn’t. Tossed the box when done.
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NOT EVERYBODY....
Likes,... or even casually glances at the 9mm
unless my 5yr old grandson needs something to shoot.
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Old 03-24-2020, 10:55 AM
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Well, I know I’m going to make a change in the future for one of my travel guns. I was only supposed to be up here in VA until February, but now it looks my move back to GA is going to be the end of April and possibly pushed further due to impacts on the DoD from the Coronavirus. Anyways, I only brought two smaller CCW handguns, and both in 9mm. I also have an AR pistol and small J-Frame. I have enough ammo even though I’m just renting a room.

I was kicking myself for not at least bringing a larger handgun, at least my Glock 19. However, I may do some additions on my Glock 23 and add an extra .357 Sig barrel and pick up a .22LR conversion kit. That would at least give me .22LR, 9mm, .40S&W, and Sig .357. While not always ideal, I could likely find one of those other non-9mm calibers in a time like this.

Having other options is always good in a situation like this and it's paid off for in the past as well when 9mm and .45 were scarce and plenty of .40S&W and .357 Sig on the shelves.

The only impact right now is no training, but work conditions have kind of limited that right now anyways…pretty sad when I have no worries about ammo and more about TP!

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The Springfield story surprises me given that most reputable gun manufacturers know that shooters are a close group who chat a lot and manufacturers cannot deal with bad PR.

I've had two issues with guns that I've had. One was, what I'm guessing, a burr on the feed ramp on my AR-10 from RRA. It was gouging the bullet itself when loading. Sent it in, they sent me a new gun no questions asked. The second, was issues with my Ruger SR556. I was shooting reloads and it didn't like them (although two other AR's at the range were eating the stuff up with no problem. Sent that gun in and they more or less said, "don't use reloads" but sent me another set of the Troy battle sights and another soft care. Both cases were outstanding customer service.

I'd really push back on Springfield. Let them know you intend to share your story on a couple of popular firearm forums if they don't address this at their cost and see what they say. Otherwise, I wouldn't give them a penny more business. Factory ammo is manufactured to very specific tolerances and I find it damn near impossible the load was over-pressurized. That's a huge potential liability to ammo makers so they are very careful about making sure their product is spot on.

Just hearing your story now will keep me away from them as I was considering a hellcat as a CCW.
I let Springfield know how unhappy I was with their decision. Their response was non at all. I have them a full week to respond. Now I will let every person I know, every gun show I go to, every forum I visit, every range I go to that Springfield dropped the ball with their customer service. They are nothing like what I got out of Ruger’s customer service.
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Bought a EAA Witness steel frame 10mm - 20 years ago.
Plan was to reload for it. The gun was heavy and the ammo expensive.
I sold it off before ever reloading - 10 years later.

I could see owning a 10mm in Alaska. Really have no use for one here in Missouri. I carry a 9mm everywhere and have a ton of 9mm ammo.

Also my 357 mag revolvers do everything the 10mm can do.
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Bought a EAA Witness steel frame 10mm - 20 years ago.
Plan was to reload for it. The gun was heavy and the ammo expensive.
I sold it off before ever reloading - 10 years later.

I could see owning a 10mm in Alaska. Really have no use for one here in Missouri. I carry a 9mm everywhere and have a ton of 9mm ammo.

Also my 357 mag revolvers do everything the 10mm can do.
Power/penetration they are similar. The difference is I can carry 15+1 with a quick 15 reload.
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MY ONLY connection to the 10mm

RIGHT AFTER Colt came out with the Delta Elite, I was at a competition shoot and Colt was one of the shoot sponsors. So, I am wearing my Gold Cup and one of the Colt guys spots it and says to me " You try the Delta in 10mm and you'll give up the .45"
"Why?"
"Because it is a better load with more energy and velocity..etc.."

I looked at him and said.. "For serious work I carry the Speer 200gr HP moving out the barrel at 1200fps. I don't think I am giving up anything to the 10 and my bullet is bigger in diameter. "
He looked at me, looked at my GC, and said "Never mind."
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MY ONLY connection to the 10mm

RIGHT AFTER Colt came out with the Delta Elite, I was at a competition shoot and Colt was one of the shoot sponsors. So, I am wearing my Gold Cup and one of the Colt guys spots it and says to me " You try the Delta in 10mm and you'll give up the .45"
"Why?"
"Because it is a better load with more energy and velocity..etc.."

I looked at him and said.. "For serious work I carry the Speer 200gr HP moving out the barrel at 1200fps. I don't think I am giving up anything to the 10 and my bullet is bigger in diameter. "
He looked at me, looked at my GC, and said "Never mind."
What is your recipe for a 1,200 FPS 200 gn gdhp? Inquiring minds want to know.
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MY ONLY connection to the 10mm

RIGHT AFTER Colt came out with the Delta Elite, I was at a competition shoot and Colt was one of the shoot sponsors. So, I am wearing my Gold Cup and one of the Colt guys spots it and says to me " You try the Delta in 10mm and you'll give up the .45"
"Why?"
"Because it is a better load with more energy and velocity..etc.."

I looked at him and said.. "For serious work I carry the Speer 200gr HP moving out the barrel at 1200fps. I don't think I am giving up anything to the 10 and my bullet is bigger in diameter. "
He looked at me, looked at my GC, and said "Never mind."
Sounds like you should recheck your load data. Your load sounds like it produces a chamber pressure above 23k, which is 45 super territory.
This magnum powered 45 Super used thicker walled brass (originally cut down 308 win cases) and a fully suported barrel.

That said, I was never much impressed by the Delta Elite and other 10mm pistols based on the Colt 1911 design.
Too many broken guns.
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What is your recipe for a 1,200 FPS 200 gn gdhp? Inquiring minds want to know.
SOME DAY I will have to dig out my loading logs. I haven't done any of it in ages since I no longer compete and probably won't live long enough to burn through my existing reloaded ammo stock as it is. I do remember it was all done on new WW brass with CCI mag pistol primer. BUt I would be guessing as to the load itself. I do know even a peripheral hit on a bowling pin would rip it off the table.
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