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Bottle of Chivas, Rachel Welch and some lube.

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i know bushcraft folks love ferro rods and they are awesome but sometimes you just need a flame, and frankly lighters are way more reliable. but a ferro rod is small enough there's no reason to go without that either unless we're limiting ourselves to 3 items.
The key with ferro rods, excluding their robustness, is understanding the need to have or be able to acquire reliable tinder. Even with a lighter, it's still a major fundamental. While I would choose one my firesteels, common sense makes sure I also have a Bic or two with me as well.
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Three Cs;
1: Combustion- ferrorod or Bic Lighter
2: Container- metal water bottle or pot
3: Cutlery- 4” bladed knife or larger or axe or machete depending upon general location
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Sleeping bag rated for expected temps -10 degrees.
Tent or tarp.
Katadyn Befree water bottle.

Those three items could fit in a school size back-pack and turn what would have been a survival situation into a minor inconvenience. The low hanging fruit would be a Garmin Inreach mini in place of the Katadyn Befree. You would likely be rescued before a waterborne illness took you out.
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I don't need a wilderness survival pack, but if I DID take one, probably just paracord, and fish hooks.
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I don't do "if I could only have X items" scenarios.

Having "prepped" most of my adult life.
I have bags, kits and packs full of well thought out long term survival gear.

Any/all of which I can grab & evac with on a moments notice.

I cannot really think of any realistic situation that would limit me, to only having access to a very few survival items.

I'm not going to play "naked & afraid".
I can do far better.
I think there's a more realistic way to ask this question. How about, you are going solo elk hunting on foot in rural, mountainous Montana in the fall. Due to the nature of the activity, you can only carry a few "survival items" in your huting pack. What would you bring? That doesn't limit you to three items, but restricts you on weight and size since you are already having to carry hunting specific gear and have to pack out the meat.
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The key with ferro rods, excluding their robustness, is understanding the need to have or be able to acquire reliable tinder. Even with a lighter, it's still a major fundamental. While I would choose one my firesteels, common sense makes sure I also have a Bic or two with me as well.
the other thing about firesteels is that they're not all created equal, and it's hard to tell a good one from a bad one (imo) without striking it yourself.

i need to pick up a smaller one to pair with the lighter. most of the ones i have are the big thick ones which are good but i want to save some weight in the woods
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The key with ferro rods, excluding their robustness, is understanding the need to have or be able to acquire reliable tinder. Even with a lighter, it's still a major fundamental. While I would choose one my firesteels, common sense makes sure I also have a Bic or two with me as well.
the other thing about firesteels is that they're not all created equal, and it's hard to tell a good one from a bad one (imo) without striking it yourself.

i need to pick up a smaller one to pair with the lighter. most of the ones i have are the big thick ones which are good but i want to save some weight in the woods
Valid point. I've really found the misch-metal versions (sold by going gear) to be the best for me. They have a higher magnesium content, less prone to corrosion, but they do use more of the material than the higher-iron content, harder ferro rods. You get a larger gob of molten fire-loving, orgasmic, combustion beauty with each strike

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Knife, ferro rod, and Shepherd's Sling
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Valid point. I've really found the misch-metal versions (sold by going gear) to be the best for me. They have a higher magnesium content, less prone to corrosion, but they do use more of the material than the higher-iron content, harder ferro rods. You get a larger gob of molten fire-loving, orgasmic, combustion beauty with each strike

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I prefer those over the harder ones as well.

I also have a realllly soft firesteel. I throws the hottest sparks of anything I have ever seen. However, its really hard to get it to spark in the first place. You need to use a lot of force, pressure and speed.

I found it on line really cheap (for a 1"X6"), and I think its for use in special effects work, rather than survival applications.

I am a big fan of firesteel.com. That seems to be the perfect sweet spot balance for me.
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Of note - current firesteels available from Going Gear are harder than the originals: "Please note that the current version of the firesteels are not exactly the same as our original Youtube video. The composition is the same, but the manufacturer hardens the alloy for a longer period. This makes the rods significantly easier to use, but they will not throw as large of gobs of metal since less material is removed with each scrap. The performance is still excellent and they will still work very well for fire starting." https://goinggear.com/products/bobca...27151263793252
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I would choose a knife, matches and probably a huge bottle of fresh water maybe. It is one of the main essentials as for me. But it also depends on which conditions you would be. I thnk three things is not enough though.
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Valid point. I've really found the misch-metal versions (sold by going gear) to be the best for me. They have a higher magnesium content, less prone to corrosion, but they do use more of the material than the higher-iron content, harder ferro rods. You get a larger gob of molten fire-loving, orgasmic, combustion beauty with each strike

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Almost all Ferro rods originate from China from three manufactures. Simply because China has large productive rare earth deposits, giving China the raw materials to manufacture Ferro rods cheaper than anyone else in the world.

Years ago I bought a few Mischmetal Ferro rods advertised as softer & containing more magnesium. Which were said to throw bigger longer burning sparks - for fire starting purposes

What is Mischmetal = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mischmetal

I compared those more expensive so-called "Mischmetal Ferro rods", with ones the exact same dimensions I had previously bought in bulk orders from all three (3) primary Chinese manufactures.

All weighed exactly the same & when struck appeared to throw an equal sized amount of long burning sparks.

So, my opinion is that advertisers / sellers of so-called "Mischmetal Ferro rods" are just adding HYPE to justify far higher prices.

Secondly, the amount & size of sparks abraded off any Ferro rod is dependent on several factors.

1. The experience & skill of the user

2. The diameter & length of the rod
(larger diameter longer rods allow more material to be abraded off a rod)

3. If the rod has an attached handle.
(generally handles only cover 1/2 to 5/8ths of an inch of a rod. Allowing a longer length of the rod to abraded & because of a firm grip, allow the user to apply more pressure & torque when striking the rod - resulting in larger sparks)

4. The striker design & type metal blade.
(strikers with firmly grip-able handles allow the user to apply more pressure & torque when striking the rod, and carbide abrades far better than average steel)

With any of my carbide strikers below, I can throw a huge gob of Ferro rod sparks 10 to 12 feet and they bounce & burn far longer than if struck with a steel striker.

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