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Old 08-07-2019, 05:35 AM
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Bird shot to the face is about as less lethal as I would risk my life on.
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I worked on a wildlife refuge and we had a regulation that people could not enter a popular duck hunting area until a specific time in the morning. But folks were sneaking in in the early early hours to get the best spots. Some were even hiring people to go in and stake out a spot for them. So we had to patrol the area.

I thought I was sneaking up on a boat that was illegal and got almost to the side of it when they turned a high power light on me from just a few feet away. I had NO idea of what was going on on the other side of that light and told them to shut it off and was raising my Maglight, it was off, to hit someone at the same time. Luckily they got it off in time or they and I would have probably ended up in court sorting out who was to blame for broken bones.

My justification would have been that I wanted to go home to wife and kids that night, instead of laying face down in the river. That was the most aggressive action I ever did in 20 yrs of wildlife Law enforcement.
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Bird shot to the face is about as less lethal as I would risk my life on.
Hey John, thread is not about using a light as a weapon, but how its misuse can have negative repercussions.
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It's funny you bring this up because I was just discussing this with my son (cop). He said he often has a problem with homeowners confronting them with pistols (not knowing who they are) and then because of the flashlight blinding them is hesitant in dropping the weapon. We were discussing ways to make it safer for both parties.

Yes, high lumen flashlights are aggressive. So are the lights on a cops car when they are right on your ass, instead of giving you a little space so you can move over three lanes to the side of the road. (yes, from experience). The SUV's make this very dangerous.
I can see how a modern flashlight could turn a routine traffic stop or encounter with a homeowner into a heated moment. The LEO need to see what they are doing so can't fault them for it. But as we saw with the recent homeowner shooting in Simpsonville SC, it can cause the person being lit up to not react in a typical manner.

In that case the deputy was instigating a panic alarm that the homeowner was unaware of. Deputy rang the doorbell and homeowner got his gun to see who it was at 11:54am. When deputy saw homeowner through the window he lit him up with a high lumen light, homeowner instinctively raises gun, deputy shoots him through the window.

A bad set of circumstances all around.
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I can see how a modern flashlight could turn a routine traffic stop or encounter with a homeowner into a heated moment. The LEO need to see what they are doing so can't fault them for it. But as we saw with the recent homeowner shooting in Simpsonville SC, it can cause the person being lit up to not react in a typical manner.

In that case the deputy was instigating a panic alarm that the homeowner was unaware of. Deputy rang the doorbell and homeowner got his gun to see who it was at 11:54am. When deputy saw homeowner through the window he lit him up with a high lumen light, homeowner instinctively raises gun, deputy shoots him through the window.

A bad set of circumstances all around.
I agree with you that LEO needs to see what they are doing, but that doesn't require shining the light in someones face. The torso area or just a light up of a general area seems sufficient. If the situation seems possibly aggressive then I get it. But I see on shows where some cops just go straight for the eyeballs on routine traffic stops, for no apparent reason.

I think shining a light, especially a high lumen light, in someone's face can be instantly disabling, especially at night. Heck as kids we used to do it to each other on purpose just to be jackasses to each other. There's nothing more hilarious than watching your buddy walk into a tree or fall in the river because he's been blinded.

A quick amazon search on those modern lights show that many of them actually advertise their blinding abilities, for defensive use of course. But clearly this implies it could be used for offensive use as well. So to me this means aggressive use.
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As a kid in the early 1960s I found some antique flash bulbs and rigged on in a flash light as a defensive tool, should some one break into my home.
Ideally a strobe would be superior at the time, but being a poor kid that is what I had.
Having worked in dark environments I learned how to hold one eye shut while venturing into day light to preserve my night vision in one eye.
It is a skill that has Paid off many times .
You may not believe it but this is what makes a pirate eye patch valuable on a ship.
I have worked on replica square riggers and it's dark down there. and if you attempt to just go down stairs and walk around, your head will take a beating going between rooms .
Point is , if there is a possibility of being flashed, close one eye ,and preserve your night vision. It takes practice and discipline but worth it in the long run. You can do this while driving at night for the on coming traffic.
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I wear special reflective glasses like in the movie looker that reflects it back.
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