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Looking for a good quality 9mm full size, high capacity, preferably milled for a red-dot type optic. A Walther Q5 maybe? Heavy, even steel frame is fine, but prefer to keep it under $1k for the gun itself.

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Glock 17-19 or the like from Glock, SW, Walther and a multitude of others produce the like.

You can get a G17, send the slide to https://www.landmprecisiongunworks.com , who for the unknowing did the first slides for the RMR equipped Glock and many other types for Suarez.

Not counting the red dot, you will be well under the $1000 mark for the gun and milling, and he will mill to you choice of site instead of the generic MOS mill cut
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I'd prefer the manufacturer do any mods, because if there is ever a problem, well they would blame the mods.
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I am unable to relate to things going wrong with Glocks and red dots.The slides milled to fit a RMR exactly run great.

What happens with slides which go wrong. Some manufacturers design slides which are incompatible with milling for a red dot. The Barretta 92/96 comes to mind. Some 1911 slides as well. Nothing wrong there just dont work together well.

The Glock has metal to spare in front of the rear sight, and nothing underneath the mill slot which need the metal above it, hence why the combination works.
Ammunition makes a big difference in reliability with this system.
Bulk surplus 115 gr 9mm is less than reliable with the optics attached. You need to run 124 or heavier for reliability with the aftermarket or factory milled slides if you attach an optic. The slide is heavier, you ned to use appropriate amunition.
I have large and small frame Glocks with the RMR mod done by the linked smith. Glock copied the aftermarket in this case, with the MOS option. However they porked the puppy trying to make the slot 1 size fits all optics.


Where problems come in with red dots-
Slide has a generic mill cut- doesnt fit anything well
Using a less than quality red dot on a handgun produces less than quality result- optics produce results directly related to what you pay for it.

At times, a red dot on a 17 length slide is known to be less than reliable with cheap or under powered ammo. The same can be said with 115gr or lighter bullets.

Glocks with an RMR attached run best with 124gr or heavier bullets.

A 5 inch barreled 9mm should be matched with 147gr HP ammo, red dot or not
4 inch barrels run a 124 gr HP
3 inch or less a 115 gr HP

These are found to be reliable bullet weight HP for expansion in the barrel length noted. Shorter barrels mean less velocity,so a lighter bullet means more reliable expansion.
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How do the optics hold up under the constant banging?
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i just realized this thing existed a few days ago.. for less than the price of an overrated 1911.. yeah, added right to the top of "to buy" list... its the walther Q5, but with a steel frame


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Springfield xdm9 osp, comes with a Vortex venom installed, I like mine.
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Looking for a good quality 9mm full size, high capacity, preferably milled for a red-dot type optic. A Walther Q5 maybe? Heavy, even steel frame is fine, but prefer to keep it under $1k for the gun itself.

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Most all of them fit your description.
Buy the one that feels best.
No one can pick the right one for you.
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How do the optics hold up under the constant banging?
Depends on the optic. Trijicon holds up just fine, which is why the new US service pistol comes optic ready, and why they have a contract.

Others might, but Trijicon definitely does.
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I love my Canik TP9 SFX, it has an amazing trigger, excellent factory sights, the price can't be beat, and it comes from the factory with 20 round magazines. I own 2 and shoot them in USPSA and steel challenge matches. 1 is setup with an optic (RMR) and the other I shoot irons with.

Even after the gun and red dot, you'll still have money left over for cases of ammo with your budget.
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Maybe wait for the CZ P-10 F optics models hit the stores? Should be a nice one for the price.
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You could go with a Sig Sauer P-226 pistol. They're great shooters and are used by all sorts of military and police groups around the world and across the U.S. As for mounting a sight or red dot, you can do that after you have the pistol broke in with a few hundred rounds under your belt getting to know your P-226.

Navy SEALs were and might still be fond of the P-226 and the Sig Sauer Company even produced a version for both the SEALs and the Green Berets.
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Maybe wait for the CZ P-10 F optics models hit the stores? Should be a nice one for the price.
those look pretty nice.. and the F series slides fit right on the C series frames with no gap, you could buy a CZ P-10C and put an optics ready F slide on it and have a pretty badass combo
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G34 MOS, my next purchase.
Everything good about Glock, longer barrel, optics ready.
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How do the optics hold up under the constant banging?
3 RMR running now, I just ordered 2 more. 1 is going on a 460 SW X frame. I have great faith in Trijicon, they have never broken or hiccupped for me. I believe I have 9 Trijicon products now, and waiting on 2 more.

They all are consistent in their performance, that's why I spend the money for more.

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At times, a red dot on a 17 length slide is known to be less than reliable with cheap or under powered ammo. The same can be said with 115gr or lighter bullets.

Glocks with an RMR attached run best with 124gr or heavier bullets.

A 5 inch barreled 9mm should be matched with 147gr HP ammo, red dot or not
4 inch barrels run a 124 gr HP
3 inch or less a 115 gr HP

These are found to be reliable bullet weight HP for expansion in the barrel length noted. Shorter barrels mean less velocity,so a lighter bullet means more reliable expansion.
Well I have mostly 115 gr ammo stocked and never had a hiccup in function of a 92FS or P89, but you're saying the 1.2 ounce weight of an optic makes operation of a Glock with 115 gr ammo unreliable? Is this unique to Glocks? Seems awfully finicky for a gun that is supposed to be the epitome of reliable.
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i just realized this thing existed a few days ago.. for less than the price of an overrated 1911.. yeah, added right to the top of "to buy" list... its the walther Q5, but with a steel frame


And waaay over $1000 for just the gun. Like $1600
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And waaay over $1000 for just the gun. Like $1600
yeah, still cheaper than most your designer 1911s though which are really no better than a cheap RIA.. for the price, id rather have that over a dan wesson or a les baer

the polymer versions only about $650 though

the CZ P10F optics ready i think will be about $500 or so
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I have the MOS 19's and a milled 19. I prefer the milled as it's a more secure mount and slightly lower but I've had no problems with the MOS either.
I've shot a couple of thousand rounds thru each with no problems. I have Trijicon RMR's on all 3.

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