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Old 12-29-2019, 07:06 AM
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No it isn’t. Anarchy is not defined as “rampant crime”.
Care to cite any historical examples of anarchy that weren't characterized by rampant crime (putting aside the fact that nothing is a "crime" in anarchy)?

Anarchists are as stupid as Communists - "It just hasn't been done right, yet."
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That's why we have the best type of Castle Doctrine in Arizona. If someone breaks into your home, and your life or a family member's life is in imminent danger, we do have the legal right to use lethal force to defend ourselves. In order to be prosecuted, a prosecutor has to prove that your life was NOT in imminent danger.

We get very few break-ins in Arizona.[/QUOTE]

Congrats, when we dumped our ineffectual and indecisive prog governor for a then conservative Kasich (what a worthless RINO), that was one of the first things they enacted. Got tested a month later in Akron, then a yeear later in Niles (Ohioman, is that accurate?). Two DRTs in the hallway, two DRTs in the yard with a fifth bleeding out but the lone survivor. First two were righteous, last three were fleeing with back wounds. Guy got 20 to life on them. Been plenty since the opiod crisis hit.
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If you took drugs and alcohol out of the social equasion, everywhere would be Mayberry .
Just like in the roaring 20's eh?
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If you took drugs and alcohol out of the social equasion, everywhere would be Mayberry .

Even Mayberry had its town drunk
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If you took drugs and alcohol out of the social equasion, everywhere would be Mayberry .
Because "Just say no" worked sooooo well!!
What other suggestions do we have from the party that screams smaller government and nanny state every chance they get?
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Lots of states restore a felon's right to vote now, once their sentences are served.
Where? I don't see any....

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Maybe if we were allowed to defend ourselves and our property without worrying about the legal system ripping us to shreds over technicalities then the sheriff’s department wouldn’t have so much trouble handling the load. But as it is today, if you dare fire a weapon in defense, you have to tell the dispatcher “I was in fear of my life” and then tell the police you want a lawyer, lawyer up and pray to God the police and DA don’t find something they can use to climb another step in their career.
From what I've seen, Oklahoma's law works about as well as it can be expected to. Friend of ours shot a home intruder back in September in LeFlore County. She did things right. Deaf woman, and she had some problems with the dispatcher because of that issue, but they got handled quick. Arkansas law isn't such a good model. Turns out more like Bryan's example most parts of the state.
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In Maine and Vermont, felons never lose their right to vote, even while they are incarcerated.

In 16 states and the District of Columbia, felons lose their voting rights only while incarcerated, and receive automatic restoration upon release.

In 21 states, felons lose their voting rights during incarceration, and for a period of time after, typically while on parole and/or probation. Voting rights are automatically restored after this time period. Former felons may also have to pay any outstanding fines, fees or restitution before their rights are restored as well.

In 11 states felons lose their voting rights indefinitely for some crimes, or require a governor’s pardon in order for voting rights to be restored, face an additional waiting period after completion of sentence (including parole and probation) or require additional action before voting rights can be restored.
http://www.ncsl.org/research/electio...ng-rights.aspx
You can view more detailed description by states at the link.
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Because "Just say no" worked sooooo well!!
What other suggestions do we have from the party that screams smaller government and nanny state every chance they get?
I didn't see Bill advocating for Prohibition v 2.0. Merely stating the fact that most our runs are generated by people who are under the influence, or trying to get that way. Prohibition doesn't work, as I think anyone will admit. Doesn't mean drunks and dope fiends aren't *******s.
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Just like in the roaring 20's eh?
My point was , if you took them out of the equation, I know it is not possible.

You can't stop anything just by making it illegal.
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Even Mayberry had its town drunk
Did it ever strike you as strange that Otis was the only person in Mayberry who was married ?
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I thought this was just a few liberal crackpots. I started doing some research and learned it was tried in this town
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/ea...-the-decision/


This is a well done (funded?) site that wants to disband police.
http://aworldwithoutpolice.org/

I think it is hilarious. I do agree that police are being used for too many things that arent police functions and should instead be social workers etc.
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Abolish the Police? A dangerous new idea is inspiring some criminal-justice activists.
City Journal ^ | December 26, 2019 | Christopher F. Rufo
Posted on 12/26/2019, 10:53:19 PM by karpov

The latest call to action from some criminal-justice activists: “Abolish the police.” From the streets of Chicago to the city council of Seattle, and in the pages of academic journals ranging from the Cardozo Law Review to the Harvard Law Review and of mainstream publications from the Boston Review to Rolling Stone, advocates and activists are building a case not just to reform policing—viewed as an oppressive, violent, and racist institution—but to do away with it altogether. When I first heard this slogan, I assumed that it was a figure of speech, used to legitimize more expansive criminal-justice reform. But after reading the academic and activist literature, I realized that “abolish the police” is a concrete policy goal. The abolitionists want to dismantle municipal police departments and see “police officers disappearing from the streets.”

... In Seattle, socialist city council candidate Shaun Scott, who ran on a “police abolition” platform, came within 1,386 votes of winning elected office. During his campaign, he argued that the city must “[disinvest] from the police state” and “build towards a world where nobody is criminalized for being poor.”

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Gee, wonder how that would work out in places like Seattle, NYC, LA, San Fran, Chicago and those other bastions of lib-world?

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what would life be like WITHOUT the cops at the other end of 911???

ALMOST seems like it would be the event for prep world to kick in without the world wide effect.
Where will I order my jelly from when they are gone?
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I've never been in a situation so bad that a cop couldn't make it worse.
Edward Abbey.

It's about time we stop paying for those useless drones.
I got my own guns
I don't need dirtbag cops coming around to generate revenue.
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Where will I order my jelly from when they are gone?
Sorry my friend, this one went over my head
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Sorry my friend, this one went over my head
Ok, it's an old joke, perhaps regional as well.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs...068-story.html
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I agree police must be abolished. But we must first do a 5 year trial whereas anyone who supported abolishing the police go without them for the 5 years.

At the end of those 5 years if the pro police abolitionist still think it's a good idea and are still alive we move forward.
Why wait 5 years? Why not all these fruitloops get on a registry to not use the police STARTING RIGHT NOW. In the interest of criminal-justice, this registry will be available to all criminals - past, present and future.
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Did it ever strike you as strange that Otis was the only person in Mayberry who was married ?

There were others. Some we saw the spouse, some not. 1.23 at the link
http://www.mayberry.info/history/ind...k_of_that_many.
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I've never been in a situation so bad that a cop couldn't make it worse.
Edward Abbey.

It's about time we stop paying for those useless drones.
I got my own guns
I don't need dirtbag cops coming around to generate revenue.
It's not always about you. Though apparently you interact with the police quite frequently.
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Yes, abolish the police. Meanwhile, on a daily basis children as young as toddlers are tortured and raped while 99.9% of Americans do nothing about it.
Now that you got that out of your system, what about shifting to total reliance on sheriff deputies under a person directly and only elected for the purpose of law enforcement?
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Yes, abolish the police. Meanwhile, on a daily basis children as young as toddlers are tortured and raped while 99.9% of Americans do nothing about it.
So, if they are being raped and tortured what are the LEO's doing about it? Obviously not stopping it. Besides protecting the rapists from repercussions what exactly are they doing in this example you provided?
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