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What a jackass! Why the hell didn't he finish it off?

Kind of annoying he just took off while it was still kicking.
twitching, something dead animals often still do, but id have eaten it
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I'm a man and I'd probably stop robbing someone if they started popping me with an air rifle, so technically it's possible. I don't know how to use emojis or I'd signal my humorous intent.

I just think of a deer I once shot with a 30-06 that had a foreleg hanging off and nothing but spaghetti sauce in it's rib cage. It ran 200 yds, went under a fence and ran another 75 yards. Bullet hit right behind the shoulder, there were no lungs, half a liver, and the heart fell out when we split the sternum open. I compare that to the deer of similar size that I shot in the same place that collapsed dead, using a 9mm pistol (long story as to why I used a pistol). I've shot similarly sized deer with a 223 that dropped or only ran a short distance. I've killed innumerable deer with a 30-06, ranging from dropping dead instantly (spine shot) to the marathon I just mentioned. I don't see how anything designed to be effectively used one handed can be considered a one-shot "manstopper".
Great point. No one should ever think of a pistol in terms of a remote control that drops an attacker. If you do your job perfectly, it can be used to poke holes in important parts of an attacker. That's where the guarantees end -- the actual outcome of a fight will depend on much, much more.

All else equal, I'd rather deliver one 45 caliber hole through something important than one 22 caliber hole. All else equal, I'd rather deliver two important 22 caliber holes than one 45 caliber hole. There is very little to be definitive about, where the hardware is concerned -- there are plenty of variables that could swing outcomes one way or another.
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Glock 19 with extended magazines. It feels so good in my hand.
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Yup. And sometimes, they get up again and walk off.

He just shot it with a hand gun, and took off in a panic. One or two more in the head would have been the polite thing to do.
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Personally I would choose either my Sig Sauer Legion P226 9mm with hollow points or my Desert Eagle 1911 with hollow points.
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Yup. And sometimes, they get up again and walk off.

He just shot it with a hand gun, and took off in a panic. One or two more in the head would have been the polite thing to do.
it looks to me like thats where a couple already landed
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Well obviously, they werent in the right spot.

Besides, anchoring shots on "anything" is a good habit and practice to get into, especially with a handgun.

Or you can just skate off like a little girl in a panic, like the above. Whatever suits you.
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Well obviously, they werent in the right spot.

Besides, anchoring shots on "anything" is a good habit and practice to get into, especially with a handgun.

Or you can just skate off like a little girl in a panic, like the above. Whatever suits you.
like i said, if it was me the moose would have been coming back with me in all likeliness quartered
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SIG or HK USP in .45
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Glock 19 as long as I never lost the magazine. Then it would be a S&W 686 4 inch.
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Glock 19 as long as I never lost the magazine. Then it would be a S&W 686 4 inch.
Why do you only have 1 magazine?

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I really don't like kicking the coals of this dead fire...but I will a little. I'm surprised there is not much faith in a .44 revolver. A 200g hollow point at 1600 fps is kind of a thumper. Over 1100 foot pounds of energy -more than a .223. (966 fp at 100y -same as a .223 at 100y). As far as it being a "man stopper" I think it would be considered a "man popper." Grab a mop and a gallon of paint, it'll be a mess.
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I really don't like kicking the coals of this dead fire...but I will a little. I'm surprised there is not much faith in a .44 revolver. A 200g hollow point at 1600 fps is kind of a thumper. Over 1100 foot pounds of energy -more than a .223. (966 fp at 100y -same as a .223 at 100y). As far as it being a "man stopper" I think it would be considered a "man popper." Grab a mop and a gallon of paint, it'll be a mess.
I believe revolvers get short shrift in general on survival sites - the polymer striker fired semis are king. And then usually for those that still cling bitterly to their wheel guns, the 44 comes in behind the 357 and 22. But I concur, a 44 revolver has a lot going for it - cast bullets, black powder, 44 spl and 44 magnum cases. Stock up on primers, and you can keep one going for a long while, especially if you don't engage in force on force disagreements.

I read here frequently that we should plan to scavenge ammo for our polymer striker fired semis from the military and police, and that should drive our weapons choices. Seems to me that if there will be such ammo available to scavenge, the weapons to go with it will likewise be available. But I might be mistaken.
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For me if I could only have one pistol it would be a Commander size 1911, most likely the Springfield Champion.

First I really like the 1911. It has been around for 100+ years and has proven it's abilities. Second is the availability of parts. In a scenario where I could only have one pistol it is likely a situation where external support will not be available so I would have to rely on myself for all support. Yes I am a factory trained Armorer for Glock, Smith and Wesson and 1911's, but as far as parts availability goes you can't beat the 1911.
Finally for my needs the 45acp just works, It works great with cast bullets and is a breeze to reload with many different powders.

As far as the Commander size it has always seemed the best option for me as a compromise between a full size duty type gun and a true concealment gun. So when it;s all said and done that's what works for me.
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I read here frequently that we should plan to scavenge ammo for our polymer striker fired semis from the military and police, and that should drive our weapons choices. Seems to me that if there will be such ammo available to scavenge, the weapons to go with it will likewise be available. But I might be mistaken.
I agree. If you can scavenge ammo I'm sure you can find a weapon or two from the guys you used up all your previous ammo on, right? The whole "scavenge ammo" idea plays exactly ZERO roll in my choice of firearms or calibers. I think the best plan is to go to Walmart while we still have Walmarts and buy a bunch of your favorite ammo and put it in the closet.

Don't get me wrong, I still like square plastic 9mm's and AR-15s. I like almost everything though, so maybe my opinion isn't as valuable as others'.
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I agree. If you can scavenge ammo I'm sure you can find a weapon or two from the guys you used up all your previous ammo on, right? The whole "scavenge ammo" idea plays exactly ZERO roll in my choice of firearms or calibers. I think the best plan is to go to Walmart while we still have Walmarts and buy a bunch of your favorite ammo and put it in the closet.

Don't get me wrong, I still like square plastic 9mm's and AR-15s. I like almost everything though, so maybe my opinion isn't as valuable as others'.
I agree 100%. A lot of argument is had here about what cartridges will be available post SHTF. My answer has always been to stock up on what ever you happen to like as post SHTF NOTHING will be available. Just look at the last few years. We went for quite awhile where nothing was available. You couldn't get a lot of rifle ammo, very very little pistol ammo and for quite awhile no 22lr at all.
So my advise like above is stock up on what you need/want and don't plan on ANY resupply. What you have is all you will have.
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I agree 100%. A lot of argument is had here about what cartridges will be available post SHTF. My answer has always been to stock up on what ever you happen to like as post SHTF NOTHING will be available. Just look at the last few years. We went for quite awhile where nothing was available. You couldn't get a lot of rifle ammo, very very little pistol ammo and for quite awhile no 22lr at all.
So my advise like above is stock up on what you need/want and don't plan on ANY resupply. What you have is all you will have.
Well thats because everyone had it in their houses. The thought is you should stock up on the standard calibers because you will be more likely to find it being used by your enemies or in the house of your deceased neighbor who died of health problems.

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If restricted to one pistol, it would be a very dark future for us all

Although I do have and like the G19, if I was truly trying to limit myself to one handgun for multiple purposes, I would probably go with the Glock 23 for a much more versatile platform.

Not only could you go .40S&W (which I like for backcountry carry using 200gr hardcast ammo), you could add a .357 Sig barrel. Also, you could add a 9mm barrel and just ensure you keep dozen or three 9mm magazines on hand as that's the only issue I've had shooting 9mm with my G23 conversion barrel.

Also, you could add a quality .22LR conversion kit.

If it's an MOD, you could add an RDS, a few threaded barrels for suppressors and of course a light for HD.

Possibly add a CAA RONI kit to turn your CCW into a carbine or pistol/SBR.

A lot of versatility with one firearm.

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