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I'm not saying he's a dream nominee from all perspectives inside the Republican party, only that his nomination would be a large shillelagh Obama and Democrats running for Congress and the Presidency could use to smack the other side in the head with and score mountains of points with centrist/unaligned voters *and* voters who identify away from the middle and towards either party but who this election cycle seem to be very focused on the idea that the political parties themselves are the problem.
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But perhaps the greatest impediment to Sandoval's national advancement is his record since taking office in January 2011, which includes a broken promise to reduce taxes, support for legal (deleted), embrace of the federal healthcare law and a decision to drop the state's legal fight against same-sex marriage — all of which are anathema to the Republican base, even if they sit fine with many Nevadans......
A social progressive supporter of the ACA who's also strong on Second Amendment rights! Heck! If he doesn't get appointed to the Supreme Court let's elect HIM President.
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Sandoval is a moderate who would probably side with conservatives on the court far more often than with the liberal side. But more likely Obama is trying to offer a carrot to Sandoval to deliver Nevada to Hillary in the next election. We could do worse than Sandoval on the court.

Besides, apparently there is nothing in the Constitution prohibiting Obama from nominating himself!

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The Senate would likely confirm him if Clinton or Sanders (or a less conservative Republican) becomes the President-elect.

Otherwise, I believe the Senate is holding out for another Scalia.
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Clinton or Sanders aren't talking about nominating him, though. And it's not guaranteed the senate Republicans will have the votes to dictate policy if either of them is elected (or if a Republican is, for that matter).
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The Senate would likely confirm him if Clinton or Sanders (or a less conservative Republican) becomes the President-elect.

Otherwise, I believe the Senate is holding out for another Scalia.
If President Obama nominates Governor Sandoval, and the senate refuses to act the president will withdraw the nomination before the election.

The Democrats will run on the notion that the Republicans are committed to governmental deadlock and committed to installing a very conservative Supreme Court Justice who will roll back some recent popular decisions. This will engergize an otherwise apathetic Democratic base and move a good number of moderate independent voters toward the Democrats.

Secretary Clinton is not a great candidate. The Republicans can win if they'll quit shooting themselves in the foot... they just can't stop.
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If Obama nominates a "A" NRA grade Latino Republican for the SCOTUS and the Republican Senate obstructs the nomination . . . I'm not sure Obama could do a better job of painting Mitch McConnell and company as clowns unfit to govern if Red Skelton or John Wayne Gacy were still alive and he could hire one of them to do portraits of senators.

I swear this election feels more and more like the final season of some long running TV show where the writers are trying to drum up fading ratings with a "this season, no one is safe and there are no rules" approach to story.

Next prediction? Cruz and Hillary running on a unity ticket to try and stop both Trump and Sanders.
And they fall right into the Democrat trap each and every time. That is the embarrassing part. They constantly shoot themselves in the foot.
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That is irrelevant. There is a bigger picture here. Plus, the nominee does not and should not be too cozy with any said party.
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If President Obama nominates Governor Sandoval, and the senate refuses to act the president will withdraw the nomination before the election.

The Democrats will run on the notion that the Republicans are committed to governmental deadlock and committed to installing a very conservative Supreme Court Justice who will roll back some recent popular decisions. This will engergize an otherwise apathetic Democratic base and move a good number of moderate independent voters toward the Democrats.

Secretary Clinton is not a great candidate. The Republicans can win if they'll quit shooting themselves in the foot... they just can't stop.
I swear I just read your shooting themselves in the foot comment after I entered mine. Sadly, when people point out an objective obviousness they are often called liberals on this site.
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Sandoval does not want to be considered. I don't blame him. He does not want to be used as a political prop and I am sure other moderates or conservatives would probably feel the same way. The RNC better hope they can win because to prevent Hilary's nominee. I wondered if McConnell would have kept his mouth shut, if Sandoval would have really considered a nomination.
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I completely disagree that the Republicans will pay a price for inaction on a Supreme Court nominee. The media seems to be going out of it's way to advise the GOP that inaction will be bad for them.
Since when has the liberal media cared about the health of the Republican party? They are continually trying to destroy the party and prop up the progressives.
Just about everyone I talk with will be angry if the Republicans do consider, not if they don't consider.
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I completely disagree that the Republicans will pay a price for inaction on a Supreme Court nominee. The media seems to be going out of it's way to advise the GOP that inaction will be bad for them.
Since when has the liberal media cared about the health of the Republican party? They are continually trying to destroy the party and prop up the progressives.
Just about everyone I talk with will be angry if the Republicans do consider, not if they don't consider.
I think your focus group would be biased. Political perspective has to be all encompassing. MSM is beating that drum and it usually works even if there is the few that hate the MSM. Public opinion is beyond the confines of this forum.
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I completely disagree that the Republicans will pay a price for inaction on a Supreme Court nominee. The media seems to be going out of it's way to advise the GOP that inaction will be bad for them.
Since when has the liberal media cared about the health of the Republican party? They are continually trying to destroy the party and prop up the progressives.
Just about everyone I talk with will be angry if the Republicans do consider, not if they don't consider.
I think the problem starts here with the premise that the main stream media, wholly owned by huge corporations, is "liberal." The MSM is "liberal" the same way a professional wrestling villain is a "bad guy." It's always been the case, but it's gotten more obvious these days, with pundits on Fox, MSNBC, and the rest of the cable news noise machine increasingly just sounding like WWE superstars shouting into a mic in between matches.
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That is irrelevant. There is a bigger picture here. Plus, the nominee does not and should not be too cozy with any said party.
On principle, you are absolutely correct.

Pragmatically however, politics trumps principles all too often.
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