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Old 12-05-2019, 07:51 PM
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Heard this before. Getting close to election time. Time for the "conservatives" who keep blowing up the national debt to solve the problem by building more bridges to nowhere and cutting a MASSIVE $5.5 billion in FIVE YEARS by passing more laws that don't get enforced. Can't consider making Social Security a need based entitlement and not just a giveaway that buys votes The healthcare industry has to have it's Medicare handout from the taxpayers. Can't pass a law to knock deadbeats off of the federal payroll because they'll all vote for Democrats if you do. Can't slap the "farmers" off of the Federal teat because ADM and ConAgra will stop throwing money at politicians
Like shooting at a stealth fighter with a BB gun.
This announcement isn't a conservative policy, it's plain old pandering for votes
Bet Ivanka couldn't spell "apprenticeship" let alone define the word since she only speaks Russian and seems to be retarded.
Reporter: Ivanka, what's an apprenticeship?
Ivanka: Dot new type boot what get me back home Russia.
You're response is priceless!

That's because a sack of **** does not bring anything.
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SNAP is suposed to be TEMPORARY, NOT A LIFESTYLE!
As is "refugee". How's that working out for the US.

You're a "refugee" then you don't do in a state or territory. We might help you out but sooner than later you GO HOME. AND never set foot on US soil.
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Heard this before. Getting close to election time. Time for the "conservatives" who keep blowing up the national debt to solve the problem by building more bridges to nowhere and cutting a MASSIVE $5.5 billion in FIVE YEARS by passing more laws that don't get enforced. Can't consider making Social Security a need based entitlement and not just a giveaway that buys votes The healthcare industry has to have it's Medicare handout from the taxpayers. Can't pass a law to knock deadbeats off of the federal payroll because they'll all vote for Democrats if you do. Can't slap the "farmers" off of the Federal teat because ADM and ConAgra will stop throwing money at politicians
Like shooting at a stealth fighter with a BB gun.
This announcement isn't a conservative policy, it's plain old pandering for votes
Bet Ivanka couldn't spell "apprenticeship" let alone define the word since she only speaks Russian and seems to be retarded.
Reporter: Ivanka, what's an apprenticeship?
Ivanka: Dot new type boot what get me back home Russia.
Don't know much do you? Look up RINO vs Conservative.
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As a historical note, all those 6 million Jewish people were un-armed by the government prior to going to the gas chambers.

Next time the gubernment could select: white, black, brown, yellow, ones of the other 53 genders, those with blue eyes, cripples, old, sick, conservative, liberal or some other criteria deemed legal for extermination.

This exactly why the Second Amendment was written - our ability to protect our self from the tyrannical government; not for hunting ducks.

All gun laws are un-constitutional period.
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As a historical note, all those 6 million Jewish people were un-armed by the government prior to going to the gas chambers.

Next time the gubernment could select: white, black, brown, yellow, ones of the other 53 genders, those with blue eyes, cripples, old, sick, conservative, liberal or some other criteria deemed legal for extermination.

This exactly why the Second Amendment was written - our ability to protect our self from the tyrannical government; not for hunting ducks.

All gun laws are un-constitutional period.
Nah, non citizens shouldn't be allowed guns.
And it wasn't six million.
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Nah, non citizens shouldn't be allowed guns.


Iím glad youíre wrong.
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so only 1.1 billion a year? that's not really that significant of a reduction.. surely closing about a dozen or so useless ABC organizations would save much, much more
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Sweet. The only problem I have with this is why is it only for 18-49 year olds? Is it because the 49+ year olds are the snap receivers they researched that might vote Republican? Seems odd.
No genius, that's the most employable age group.
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No genius, that's the most employable age group.
50+ year olds can push a broom or bag groceries like anyone else. 18-25 year olds are the ones being passed up for even menial jobs because of lack of work experience.

Take it all. No excuses.
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So a workfare program requires administration. Road crews require oversight and training. Subsidizing businesses who hire these requires not only a boatload of paperwork, but constant supervision by the Gov't. , not to mention the increased real possibility of theft/violence/unreliability.
When you accept responsibility for the life of anyone, especially those who are on the margins, it's usually very work intensive with a fairly low success rate. Ultimately much more costly than a monthly SNAP card. Even a bird brain knows that kicking the kid out of the nest must be done. Clinton gets credit for the 1996 Act (forced on him by Newt and company) which was ultimately pretty successful. We now have a reversal of roles, so Trump will have to push it through, but it's the only way to restart that concept of Personal Responsibility.

And the best part, it doesn't increase the gimmedat voter numbers! They'd vote Democratic no matter what.
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50+ year olds can push a broom or bag groceries like anyone else. 18-25 year olds are the ones being passed up for even menial jobs because of lack of work experience.

Take it all. No excuses.
I would have cut the entire program top to bottom. If you're on it too long you're out, if you can work but don't you're out, if you don't feed your kids anyway and the schools have to you're out.

There needs to be a major overhaul of the entire system to squeeze the fat out. Snap would look more like a soup line and the money would go to church kitchens to run it.
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Personally I think one of the biggest issues (for those who want to quit the programs) is cost of living is too high, no, LIFESTYLE is too high. I live (quite well) on $1,925/ monthjobs that pay enough are scarce yea, no. Lowest unemployment in.... How long? and it is too difficult to relocate). I've relocated with one backpack and a seabag before I think the programs are wonderful for their intent and its a shame they are abused the way they are. Its more than just living off welfare there has to be other options, like the work force and relocation programs. specially from the larger cities.
There will always be excuses...
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Then there is the constant and daily issue of seeing 400lb folks climb out of a brand new Mercedes or Cadillac at the grocery store and come out with three full buggies of food all paid with food stamps.

Yet the carton of Newport’s and the case of malt liquor was paid with cash....never ceases to amaze me.
Then the constant realization that MY money was just spent on three buggies of food that I won’t ever get to eat, a Newport that I won’t ever get to smoke and a malt liquor beverage that I won’t ever get to drink.....
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As a historical note, all those 6 million Jewish people were un-armed by the government prior to going to the gas chambers.

Next time the gubernment could select: white, black, brown, yellow, ones of the other 53 genders, those with blue eyes, cripples, old, sick, conservative, liberal or some other criteria deemed legal for extermination.

This exactly why the Second Amendment was written - our ability to protect our self from the tyrannical government; not for hunting ducks.

All gun laws are un-constitutional period.
Just had s thought about this: the DNC advocates a bort ions up to the point of birth currently. What would stop them from listing us deplorables on a retroactive a bort ion list? Lack of camps with bath houses? Maybe Jojo would care to educate us all on the fine points of that? Personally, I always assumed that the needed personnel were available on the membership rolls of Progress Now, Vox and Move On.org

I mean, is that so far fetched when one of their leaders claims to be an Indian when in reality her closest ancestor to that was a round up guard for an Indian ghetto leading to the Trail of Tears? She might as well claim to be Jewish but actually descend from a death camp guard. Who will constitute the 100 million deaths by socialism in the 21st century? Deplorables? Christian's? Autonomous people? Conservatives? Red states? Caucasians?

The Left is very vocal in their racism and bigotry of these groups....
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I would have cut the entire program top to bottom. If you're on it too long you're out, if you can work but don't you're out, if you don't feed your kids anyway and the schools have to you're out.

There needs to be a major overhaul of the entire system to squeeze the fat out. Snap would look more like a soup line and the money would go to church kitchens to run it.
I agree. Unfortunately this is a nothing sandwich. Politicians know that a major or total elimination of SNAP will lose their favor..........with Big Corporations who use these benefits to pad their wage costs. From the article:

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The plan will limit states from exempting work-eligible adults from having to maintain steady employment to receive benefits.
Also, the businesses who count on programs like SNAP and WIC for billions in revenue are not going to be too happy when their gravy train stops on the tracks.

Check this out.

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Add your SNAP EBT card to pay for eligible groceries, including FREE access to Amazon Fresh.
Here's how:
So we have a retail giant that is a top 5 of its own employees using EBT now accepting EBT. Talk about a hamster wheel.

For most emotional and low-info voters this type of cut is a major victory/loss. We'll see what happens.
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Then there is the constant and daily issue of seeing 400lb folks climb out of a brand new Mercedes or Cadillac at the grocery store and come out with three full buggies of food all paid with food stamps
The program is rife with fraud.

Some fraud could be eliminated with biometric scanning at check out, but liberals & ACLU would scream.
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The program is rife with fraud.

Some fraud could be eliminated with biometric scanning at check out, but liberals & ACLU would scream.
I would scream as well. I could see the government spending $10B on bio metric equipment and infrastructure to save $1B in SNAP fraud. It would be business as usual.

The only way is to get rid of it entirely. Might hurt at the polls and in the wallet but in the long run it is for the best.
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I would scream as well. I could see the government spending $10B on bio metric equipment and infrastructure to save $1B in SNAP fraud. It would be business as usual.

The only way is to get rid of it entirely. Might hurt at the polls and in the wallet but in the long run it is for the best.
It may be for the best, but it will not be going away.

No equipment or infrastructure is needed for biometric.

Voice,fingerprint, and facial i.d can be used.

We will probably see widespread biometric soon by credit card/processing companies in the U.S.

Cards have already been tested that have biometric in the card itself, and can be used at current point of sale terminals.

The card has a self-charging fingerprint scanner built in.

Utah-based Mountain America Credit Union, and Bank of Cyprus did a pilot test on a biometric card last year.

It's on the way, as Nevada-based SmartMetric Inc. is already producing the cards.

https://www.creditcards.com/credit-c...cards-1273.php

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It may be for the best, but it will not be going away.

No equipment or infrastructure is needed for biometric.

Voice,fingerprint, and facial i.d can be used.

We will probably see widespread biometric soon by credit card/processing companies in the U.S.

Cards have already been tested that have biometric in the card itself, and can be used at current point of sale terminals.

The card has a self-charging fingerprint scanner built in.

Utah-based Mountain America Credit Union, and Bank of Cyprus did a pilot test on a biometric card last year.

It's on the way, as Nevada-based SmartMetric Inc. is already producing the cards.

https://www.creditcards.com/credit-c...cards-1273.php
Very cool. thanks for the link
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When I worked for the welfare dept, Illegals would come in and request emergency food stamps for their anchor babies. Locally the stamps could be traded for cash at 10 cents on the dollars at several stores. Instead I gave them a food voucher to Catholic charities. They complained constantly as the sisters counciled them and chastised them for allowing their children to get in this situation. Local welfare rights groups complain about food vouchers as it violates the claimant's rights. When I ran the general relief program the recipient had to do a work project. No work, no check. All welfare should be like this. And stop all food stamps and offer commodities. Good food that will nourish the children. Also a CPS referral as the parents are not caring for the children
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