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Are you heading into combat? I'm not looking for it, but want to have something that works well if it comes to it.

If you are, you'll probably want to listen to the guys above.

Are you going to be using the sling as a shooting aid? That would be a bonus.

If you are, a two-point sling that you detach from the buttstock and fix around your upper bicep - as taught by the USMC and others - is probably the way to go.

Like Andrew Jackson, I found a 3-point sling that actually works for me (I think it is also a 'Mamba', and I picked it up at the PX at Grafenwohr Army Base in Germany). I use it for hunting. I hunt with one of these rifles:

3-point slings work like a champ in some scenarios, particularly if you're the sort of guy who seldom gets all tangled up in your web gear. I need something that is simple and affordable.

What works for you often depends on what you're using it for.....
Using the sling for an AR-15 at the ready carry position, as well as on my back, or tight to my torso. Quick access to my pistol with minimal or no interference from my rifle is critical.

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It was recommended to me by a friend that VTAC was the best sling....In fact I am ordering 3 tomorrow..They are the 2 point quick detach from the inventor Viking Tactics.....
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Are you heading into combat?

If you are, you'll probably want to listen to the guys above.

Are you going to be using the sling as a shooting aid?

If you are, a two-point sling that you detach from the buttstock and fix around your upper bicep - as taught by the USMC and others - is probably the way to go.

Like Grotius I learned my shooting with the two point sling. It provides a nice shooting aid and adds stability when in position, wether Hasty or Bicep. If you learn how to properly sling up and practice NPOA you won't need a bipod. Saves a bunch of weight, time and noise setting up. In addition, don't waste your money on those fancy nylon slings, get the old cotton web GI sling, it grips a whole lot better. Sure it may get all bleached out, stained, and ugly but I'm not looking to enter a fashion show. Second choice is the leather version, timeless classic. The simplicity and functionality overrides the coolness factor.

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Itís a 6 year old thread....
Its pretty cool. Besides the LaRue Rail I bought for my build way back then, I got the Sling. The sling is the shizzit, more shizzit than the rail. after all of this time.




I really really really really wanted the lower at the time, but they wouldn't sell it unless you bought their upper. A couple of years later they finally relented and sold the lower.......missed it...sad panda
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nice, a brand new account with no post history makes 1 post to necro a thread that's literally just an ok-boomer meme

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Iíve used those high speed, cool guy one-point slings, those awesomely tacticool three-point slings, and my experience with them is that theyíre crap.

If youíre shooting, or being shot at, those suck. Or they did for me.

A decent, easy-adjust two-point sling is king. A two-point with some version of a sliding adjuster works best. Larry Vickers sells a decent one.
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Itís a 6 year old thread....
Looks like it.

So? I donít mind talking about slings, even if the guy who necroíd the thread is an idiot.
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Iíve used those high speed, cool guy one-point slings, those awesomely tacticool three-point slings, and my experience with them is that theyíre crap.

If youíre shooting, or being shot at, those suck. Or they did for me.

A decent, easy-adjust two-point sling is king. A two-point with some version of a sliding adjuster works best. Larry Vickers sells a decent one.
I'll add to the necro-thread

Much like JBryan, I've found 3 point slings don't do well, especially if you're loaded down with kit; too much to snag on when adjusting the sling. I do know that for some hunting situations, they can be a shooting aid, but that's a niche situation. 3-point slings also try and bridge the gap and add both a 2-point sling and a single-point sling, but it's not the most functional.

I have used a single point sling. They work, but they too are a niche sling. They were quite popular in combat for those that are in and out of vehicles or helo's, simply for the quick detach aspect. Where they suck for me is doing drills where I have to go hands-free; even an M4 sized carbine is a royal PITA once you try and transition or go hands-free. Where I have found I like single-point slings are the very small SMG's (or braced pistols) as they don't dangle to my knees and get knocked around or hung up.

2-point slings that are easily adjustable have become the best choice for me. I can rotate out of the way for hands free or transition drills, and extend easily for fast shooting or more comfortable carry. They are also more simple and less likely to get hung up on your kit.

The only way to figure out what works best is to try them out and run some realistic drills...you'll quickly find out what most of us have learned over the years.

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I’ve used those high speed, cool guy one-point slings, those awesomely tacticool three-point slings, and my experience with them is that they’re crap.

If you’re shooting, or being shot at, those suck. Or they did for me.

A decent, easy-adjust two-point sling is king. A two-point with some version of a sliding adjuster works best. Larry Vickers sells a decent one.
i agree

the only experience i have is backyard shooting and an appleseed shoot

but from my limited experience, i got used to having the added stability of sling-assisted shooting, and i wouldn't trade that for a single-point
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I was issued 3 points and once a MS3 single pnt was cool when we 1st got them then we all carried it as a 2pnt.

Now I run ferro concepts slingster. similar to vickers and VCAS. I like the loop better than the webbing for adjustment and the padding is adjustable.
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I employed a Northeast Tactical Single Point bungee sling across three deployments to Iraq. It worked pretty well for my needs (HAF/GAF dismounts, Fast Ropes, CQB, convoy turret use, KLEs, and routine low-pro armored vehicle travel). That particular model was fairly popular in my unit at the time (2006-2012) and a favorite among our Group SFAUC Committee & many SFARTAETC grads.

I also dragged that sling through every unit SFAUC/PMT trainup involving mucho live fire shoot houses. No problems. All I had to do for a carbine to pistol transition was drop the long gun and draw the pistol. No sling manipulation needed at all. Fast & simple. I eventually added a weapon catch on my weak side hip (battle belt) for contingency building climbing or rope work.

Plate armor, pouches, and belt order kept the hot carbine barrel off of my nutsack and thighs. I could completely detach the weapon in an instant (trigger snap hook) if I needed to kneel over somebody/something... or low crawl.

That single point is still mounted to my primary AR. But I use unpadded VTACs for my other guns. That's my favorite 2-point and the one I finally settled on.

Range drills aside, I've rarely had need to cinch my rifle down to my body or carry it slung across my back. I usually had too much shiznit back there anyway (hydro system, radio, pack, rear plate, etc.). In real life employment, my M4A1 stayed to my front and in my hands for about 98% of the time. Exceptions for things like surface swimming, structure/rock climbing, alpine touring skiing, rope infils, or military snow mobile ops. Sometimes during SSE activities on a secured target.

I rate a well-designed two point or single point as about equal in actual combat utility. Pluses and minuses for both. Three points? Meh... too much strap management for my tastes.
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Viking Tactics Mk2 here. Was issued one and purchased my own after. Great sling, does everything I need.
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I don't know about a bipod, all of my M4's are setup for 0-300m, not DMR or varmint hunting.

That said, the VTAC 2-point sling is the best sling I've used. The BFG Larry Vickers is a cheap knock-off in comparison (I have both). Single-points are GREAT! for when you're on the gun, but if you need to use your hands or transition, they do not control the rifle at all. It slaps you in the nuts typically, and if you have a can on it, will burn the living crap out of your leg probably, unless you have an SBR, then it will scald your pecker seriously bad. (I don't speak from experience, but rather from common sense seeing where my M4 hangs on a single-point.)

3-point slings are a soup sandwich and you will tie yourself in a knot trying to use them and they don't do anything a good 2 point can't do much simpler. Just avoid them.

This is so far my favorite sling (I don't like LaRue, but this is the cheapest deal, considering it comes with two quality QD swivels already. If you don't need the QD swivels, buy the sling elsewhere and save $$, but if you do, consider that each QD is about $15.)
http://www.laruetactical.com/larue-t...l-padded-sling
I tried the Magpul MS4 sling, and found it cumbersome and a liability. The MS3 is easier to use than the QD's, but I still don't like stuff like that. You are fumbling with your rifle and have the potential to drop it when you should be paying attention to other tasks at hand, and not un-hooking your sling.

Again, the sling I linked you to is not advertised on the site as a VTAC sling, but it is. VTAC made it for LaRue (well, someone technically makes it for VTAC, I'm sure, but you get the idea).

Another point is that people don't know how to get the most out of their slings, often times, when first starting out. Here is a video that really helped me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhojNCdksYw
FYI, all the stuff in that video he shows you...the product actually DOES. I remember how bummed I was when I got my brand new Magpul MS4, and I tried adjusting it and it wouldn't budge. The webbing was so stiff that I could stand on one end and pull on the other and it wouldn't move except at certain angles. It was infuriating. I even posted up on M4C about it (a place known for ripping idiots a new one), and figured I was in for the usual "Stop being a ninny" crap that people get for posting an "I find it difficult to...". No. Everyone started offering tips on break-in, complaining that they had the same problem, etc. So apparently it's not a personal issue.

Just something to take into account, not everything works as advertised, but I can vouch that the VTAC does.

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I agree. The Viking is great for hiking and because of the many positions, you can wear an AR on your back and if you have a pack, on your front. But when I took a carbine tactical course, I used a 2-point. We would walk down-range shooting. We had a partially-filled 30 rd mag and shot until we ran out of cartridges. We would then drop the AR, which would hang from the sling, draw our side arm and finish shooting until that was empty.
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I agree. The Viking is great for hiking and because of the many positions, you can wear an AR on your back and if you have a pack, on your front. But when I took a carbine tactical course, I used a 2-point. We would walk down-range shooting. We had a partially-filled 30 rd mag and shot until we ran out of cartridges. We would then drop the AR, which would hang from the sling, draw our side arm and finish shooting until that was empty.

I guess maybe it is called a one point. It goes around my neck with the attachment going at the near half way point on the gun. I keep the Viking on the AR all the time, but if I had to draw my sidearm, I would have a lot of trouble unless I had a chest holster, otherwise it would be too easy to get fouled up in the rigging. But if you had to walk several miles and have a good help for aiming, Viking is the best.
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I employed a Northeast Tactical Single Point bungee sling across three deployments to Iraq. It worked pretty well for my needs (HAF/GAF dismounts, Fast Ropes, CQB, convoy turret use, KLEs, and routine low-pro armored vehicle travel). That particular model was fairly popular in my unit at the time (2006-2012) and a favorite among our Group SFAUC Committee & many SFARTAETC grads.

I also dragged that sling through every unit SFAUC/PMT trainup involving mucho live fire shoot houses. No problems. All I had to do for a carbine to pistol transition was drop the long gun and draw the pistol. No sling manipulation needed at all. Fast & simple. I eventually added a weapon catch on my weak side hip (battle belt) for contingency building climbing or rope work.

Plate armor, pouches, and belt order kept the hot carbine barrel off of my nutsack and thighs. I could completely detach the weapon in an instant (trigger snap hook) if I needed to kneel over somebody/something... or low crawl.

That single point is still mounted to my primary AR. But I use unpadded VTACs for my other guns. That's my favorite 2-point and the one I finally settled on.
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Hey, did those Northwest Tactical slings have the quick detach shackle?

A good buddy who was in 18th ABN LRS made his own design. I picked up a few from him but haven't seen many like it. The narrow webbing is best with armor and chest mounted kit. It was a pretty handy setup when routinely getting in and out of vehicles and choppers.



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I used (and continue to use) the Trigger Snap described in paragraph #4 of the below linked product description:

https://northeasttactical.com/ocart2...&product_id=50

Easy & quick to deliberately release from the weapon; but never comes off by accident.
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I used (and continue to use) the Trigger Snap described in paragraph #4 of the below linked product description:

https://northeasttactical.com/ocart2...&product_id=50

Easy & quick to deliberately release from the weapon; but never comes off by accident.
Yeap, the snap shackle:





I really love them for their ruggedness and easy to release mechanism (with a very deliberate action), yet still pretty easy to reattach.

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Simplicity is always the best answer in everything. I recommend 2 point.
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