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Starship Troopers is one of Robert A Heinlein's most entertaining books that is also a socio-political treatise. It was written as a juvie (early teens juvenile reader) story, so is easy to understand and follow.

Fairly early in the book one of the characters, a teacher, has a discussion in class about some political ides that I have believed in ever since I read the book when I was 14.

There are some other elements throughout the book that address many societal, political, military, and other issues that are still relevant today.

To me, if one followed the tenets set forth in the book to rebuild society and civilization, it would be a pretty good one.

Heinlein has several other works that have similar socio-political elements, that since they were used in a science fiction format, were acceptable rather than some, such as Ayn Rand, who was blasted for many of her stories.


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Starship Troopers is one of Robert A Heinlein's most entertaining books that is also a socio-political treatise. It was written as a juvie (early teens juvenile reader) story, so is easy to understand and follow.

Fairly early in the book one of the characters, a teacher, has a discussion in class about some political ides that I have believed in ever since I read the book when I was 14.

There are some other elements throughout the book that address many societal, political, military, and other issues that are still relevant today.

To me, if one followed the tenets set forth in the book to rebuild society and civilization, it would be a pretty good one.

Heinlein has several other works that have similar socio-political elements, that since they were used in a science fiction format, were acceptable rather than some, such as Ayn Rand, who was blasted for many of her stories.


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I figured it was more about the citizenship being earned idea rather than the blasting of "bugs"

Good choice. I tried reading "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls", one of his later works, and it was utter tripe. Put it down after 3 chapters and was just done.
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It was and is. Although, as always, with my own take on things. I do believe it is a very good starting place, however.

I read it as a person was a citizen, but without doing some sort of national service, no right to vote. While many consider/considered that the national service meant some form of service, usually military, that could, under some circumstances, put a person's life at risk. I did not/do not see it that way. More that one is willing to devote X-number of years to providing a service that the nation needs, which mean they have earned the right to vote to be part of the decision making process. If a person is not willing to do anything at all that helps the nation, then they do not have a say in how things are run.

Even in the book, those that were certainly not capable of combat operations, or even combat support operations, there would be some form of service they could do to earn that right to vote. It was the willingness to put in the time for the nation, therefore for all the citizens, that was important. Although, unless I am not remembering it correctly, every national service job, whether or not it was an actual military service job, was subject to being put in some situations that could, remotely, be dangerous in one way or another. Even handicapped people, though they would be doing whatever job it was they were able to do, it might be in a dangerous place, or near a combat zone though not in it, and such. Not much risk, but never no risk of it occurring.

I do not ever remember seeing The Cat Who Walks Through Walls.

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After seeing/hearing the BS in the political arena over the last few days, I'm going to trade in my copy of Roberts Rules of Order for a complete set of The Federalist Papers (bound into one volume with a copy of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence glued inside the covers to comply with the rules of the thread). We'll keep order in a government body (family council or whatever) using a Speaker Stick or Speaker Rock or...
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After seeing/hearing the BS in the political arena over the last few days, I'm going to trade in my copy of Roberts Rules of Order for a complete set of The Federalist Papers (bound into one volume with a copy of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence glued inside the covers to comply with the rules of the thread). We'll keep order in a government body (family council or whatever) using a Speaker Stick or Speaker Rock or...
That would be my number six:
A single volume containing:
The Ten Commandments (A true interpretation)
Charter of Liberties
The Federalist Papers
Declaration of Independence
US Constitution
Bill of Rights
Articles of Freedom

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Be sure to add the anti-federalist papers for a more complete picture of what was going on and why certain compromises were reached,
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That would be my number six:
A single volume containing:
The Ten Commandments (A true interpretation)
Charter of Liberties
The Federalist Papers
Declaration of Independence
US Constitution
Bill of Rights
Articles of Freedom

Just my opinion.


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Wow, the first of your lists I have ever found lacking. Please consider adding the following
1) The Anti-Federalist papers
2) The Articles of Confederation
3) The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States

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Wow, the first of your lists I have ever found lacking. Please consider adding the following
1) The Anti-Federalist papers
2) The Articles of Confederation
3) The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States

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I will do so. Thank you.
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As long as we're binding books/documents into one volume, let's add:


UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Might come in handy, and it's interesting reading. One might make a case for support for the 2A from Article 3. 1A from Articles 18, 19, and 20. 4A from Article 17. Etc., etc., etc.


Code of Hammurabi.


Add back in Robert's Rules of Order.
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I do have all of those in my library. Hm... They might be good additions to a specific list. However, pretty much all of the 100,000 or so books I have I consider as useful in some way to rebuilding society and civilization, including the fiction, of which many of the 100,000 fall into the category, along with all the other categories of non-fiction.

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^^^^ The Problem with the UN is several articles.

Take Article 15.
Article 15.
(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

Right there the UN is giving all those in improvised countries the right to come here and declare themselves Americans. The Demo-Rats have been treating them better than Native-Born American Citizens.
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I'm not saying there are not problems with the UN or its documents/publications/propaganda/ideals/policies/actions/etc. Or that I prefer the UN to the Constitution (I don't). However, I am considering a worst-case scenario, as well as possibilities along the way


This is a simple and essentially free prep to have on-hand.
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Better to have the documents so we know what the UN is planning than to not have them and be caught unprepared.

Plus it is a case of "This how you do not do it!"

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How about: 1. Moby **** (never read that one)
2. Catch -22
3. A Farewell to Arms
4. The complete Thomas Paine Collection
5. US Army Survival Manual
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my personal notebooks if that counts ( it has recipes in it, and things like medicine dosages for goats and such )
4 engineering books that might be needed to rebuild some of society
(probably one on water treatment, one on hydrology, one structural, one that has everything in it you need to pass the PE exam in detail)
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Moby **** Is a very hard read. I made it through once, but only because it was an assignment. It was not a fun read IMHO.
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Cache Lake Country by John Rowlands
Wildwood Wisdom by Ellsworth Jaeger
South! by Ernest Shackleton
Robinson Crusoe by Daniel Defoe
Jack London's selected short stories, especially those on Alaska & the Yukon.
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