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Don't get your panties in a knot.

To start with many Dems who would and did vote for commie Gillum are gun owners and vote against these laws. Maybe not a lot but with the state now purple enough to matter

Plus this is an amendment to the Florida constitution and that requires a 60% majority not a simple majority so while nothing is impossible this has zero chance of doing anything but making a few communist wet their pants

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Where are the stats on how Florida gun owners voted?

Gillum lost by 0.2%, or 10,000 votes out of over 8 million votes cast. It tells me that this ballot measure could easily pass. And if it passes the state legislature will be pressured to make law based on the "will of the people". Any who resist will be called fascists and probably voted out in their next election.

I sure wouldn't have a warm fuzzy feeling if I were still a Floridian!

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This is how I would defeat this bill in Fl.

Make Sure all the Cubans and other Islanders including Purto Rico know that by voting for this bill they are asking to become like Cuba under Castro.

I would pound this day and night. That is what Castro did to the island took away their guns and killed thousands.
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A gun owner who cares about the Second Amendment would need to be lobotomized to vote for Gillum. Seriously ... GILLUM.

He basically ran on a platform of hating America. I am not sure there has been a more radical leftist major-party candidate for governor in American history, and I don't say that lightly. Jerry Brown and Gavin Newsome are (at least per public statements) well to Gillum's right. Stacy Abrams is (per public statements) to Gillum's right. Michael Dukakis is to Gillum's right. They might all be closet commies, but Gillum wasn't closeted about it.

If you were ok with him, that implies you'd be ok with gun confiscation and a whole host of other communist concepts. I know that nobody on this thread voted for him, but the reality is, virtually half of Florida did.
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I know that nobody on this thread voted for him, but the reality is, virtually half of Florida did.
Or there was massive voter fraud. I will admit though, I saw a lot of Gillum stickers on cars and signs in yards.
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People should not be allowed to voice management of the lives of others if they have proven poor choices and an inability to manage their own lives.



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Gillum told people what they wanted to hear not what he stood for. That's what a campaign worker and long time friend, inside his campaign said.



This video about Gillum and his campaign came out just prior to the election:
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A potato, or to be more thematic, a lemon or orange could tell the guy was - at a minimum - a socialist. I truly believe he is a communist. If you are not a socialist and you voted for this guy ... I don't know what to say. You might be an idiot? (Not directing that comment at anybody here, but at 49.some percent of Floridians.)
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A potato, or to be more thematic, a lemon or orange could tell the guy was - at a minimum - a socialist. I truly believe he is a communist. If you are not a socialist and you voted for this guy ... I don't know what to say. You might be an idiot? (Not directing that comment at anybody here, but at 49.some percent of Floridians.)
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Too many are pacified with the term socialism, as compared to communism. Socialism is just communism-lite. It also pretty much always leads to communism.

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Niki Fried will try to force most of it.
With that wording most firearms would be banned, Yes idiots could make it happen, look at California. Registration or face Fines and/or Possible jail time. CCW, and hunting licenses, likely got weapons and would be targets and Vetrans, republicans and Patriots. But its not Right, and its not Constitutional.
My SKS would be on this list if i Had it, or my semi auto hunting rifle with a Scope..
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https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/col...-ban-20181128/

My local paper is already starting the media push to get this passed.
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I don't think this has any chance but being a Florida resident.. I'm looking for another place of residence. If such a bill would pass I guess it gives me one year to relocate.
Such a sad state of affairs that this once great state now finds itself in.
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Did anyone notice that it said "anything considered to be a sniper rifle" is to be banned? So any scoped rifle.
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This is what happens when god damn Yankees move in. I say this as a yankee, but not a god damn yankee. I hate god damn Yankees and wish they would stay in their socialist utopias they voted to create instead of moving to Florida.
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So FL is out for a gun guy. Where to go? I'm thinking I'll pull the plug and go to SC, but is that really better? I ruled out GA but want someplace warm.So the Northwest is not in the scheme of things.

I thought about TX and know many people there, but they seem a bit upset about the gun issues also. They are all 2nd A folks.

We're horse people and will go where horses are accepted.But guns must be part of that. It's got to be both or nothing. So, warm most of the year and horse and gun friendly. Where?
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So FL is out for a gun guy. Where to go? I'm thinking I'll pull the plug and go to SC, but is that really better? I ruled out GA but want someplace warm.So the Northwest is not in the scheme of things.

I thought about TX and know many people there, but they seem a bit upset about the gun issues also. They are all 2nd A folks.

We're horse people and will go where horses are accepted.But guns must be part of that. It's got to be both or nothing. So, warm most of the year and horse and gun friendly. Where?
I lived in Texas for years, my daughter was born there, but Texas is turning purple and I wouldn't move there explicitly to move to a Pro 2A place, because they may not be in a decade. Sorry bout that, Texans!

For relatively warm states I'd consider Tennessee (lots of horse people there), Oklahoma, Mississippi, possibly Arkansas.

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Kansas and Missouri are options. It gets too cold here for what you want and the taxes suck. Though if you're a hearty type, I was working outside last week without a coat on. It only gets below zero for a week or two each year. The jet stream typically flows down through the area and back up. So the artic temps split above and below it. It's typically colder here then a lot of the Western mountain regions because of the jet stream patterns. We can be on either side and any given time, so the weather fluctuates a lot and is unpredictable.

We only have constitutional open carry in the state and can't seem to get constitutional concealed carry through. The bigger cities have handgun registries so you want to stay away from them unless you plan on a CC permit. You don't have to register anything if you have a permit.
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Being a ballot issue makes it worrisome, because as was said before, the majority might deny the minority their constitutional rights. However, reading it, I don't think it would stand a chance if challenged in court. I'm pretty sure the Supremes would strike it down in its entirety as well..

Edit: They may have trouble meeting the Florida requirement for getting it on the ballot. The bar is pretty high..


"In Florida, the number of signatures required for an initiated constitutional amendment is equal to 8 percent of the votes cast in the preceding presidential election. Florida also has a signature distribution requirement, which requires that signatures equaling at least 8 percent of the district-wide vote in the last presidential election be collected from at least half (14) of the state's 27 congressional districts. Petitions are allowed to circulate for an indefinite period of time, but signatures are valid for a two-year period of time; therefore, proponents must collect all of their signatures for verification within a two-year period. Signatures must be verified by February 1 of the general election year the initiative aims to appear on the ballot.

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Virginia has pretty good gun laws FOR NOW and is the home of the NRA, which has its headquarters and a great museum in Fairfax city, but, hard to predict the future. It's purple, leaning blue. I mainly bring it up because there is big-time horse country in the DC exurbs.

North Carolina's not that bad in gun laws (a half step below Virginia), but is politically pretty stable, with a Democrat governor but Republican majorities in both houses of the legislature. Actually, they have supermajorities in both houses for now, though they lose supermajority status when the newly elected folks get sworn in. Still will be in the majority, though, so I wouldn't anticipate any anti-gun legislation for a while. NC is also a step below VA in terms of horse country, but it exists, in kind of the north-central part of the state, among others.
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Where are the stats on how Florida gun owners voted?

Gillum lost by 0.2%, or 10,000 votes out of over 8 million votes cast. It tells me that this ballot measure could easily pass. And if it passes the state legislature will be pressured to make law based on the "will of the people". Any who resist will be called fascists and probably voted out in their next election.

I sure wouldn't have a warm fuzzy feeling if I were still a Floridian!

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OK so you now believe 20%+ republicans will vote to ban guns and every single democrat. That is the minimum for this to pass.
The legislator is solid republican and so with a Trump governor and a history of precedent setting pro gun laws (We were the first "shall issue state") all sudden like we will freak out and become the most anti-gun state in the union.

Really, you people are so easily spooked it is laughable
The sky is falling, the sky is falling

It will be a long time before this absurd fantasy has a snow ball's chance in hell
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