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I know that from using 5.56 ARs there is definitely a benefit to having plenty of Hollow/Soft Point rounds for increased performance, but I'm wondering if stocking up on Soft/Hollow points for a .308 are really necessary

Being that I just added a semi auto .308 to the family I am debating if I should stockpile:

A) Only FMJ rounds which would allow me to purchase even more ammunition.

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B) 30% Soft/Hollow point rounds and 70% FMJ rounds giving up on quantity and having rounds that are better at expanding.
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Don't forget some 30-06 black tip and a bullet puller
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What Nomad kind of said. Get some projectiles and build your best ammo.

Meanwhile, the cheapest crap I can find...Tula...runs well in my DPMS, and does under 2 MA groups. And it comes in soft point or FMJ.
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Let me add a point I forgot:

DO NOT load Black tip .308
It's not legal to make AP .308 (im.over simplifying)


100% legal to have surplus 30-06, reloading supplies, and primed cases.
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About 20 years ago I was doing some horse trading and wound up with a 1000rnds of M2 black tip pulls. I kind of felt shafted on the trade for what I gave up

They weren't anything I used so I sat on them

About 5yrs ago, I found out that they were going for a pretty high price

I advertised locally and sold them for $1 a piece rather quickly

I certainly felt better about the trade


You will pay thru the nose for them now! Just so you'll know
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I know that from using 5.56 ARs there is definitely a benefit to having plenty of Hollow/Soft Point rounds for increased performance, but I'm wondering if stocking up on Soft/Hollow points for a .308 are really necessary

Being that I just added a semi auto .308 to the family I am debating if I should stockpile:

A) Only FMJ rounds which would allow me to purchase even more ammunition.

or

B) 30% Soft/Hollow point rounds and 70% FMJ rounds giving up on quantity and having rounds that are better at expanding.
I can not imagine buying fmj rounds in 308 for any reason.
I typically load this round with Rem 150g PSP/CL bullets if I am pinching pennies, or 165g SBT bullets, loaded with Varget.
When I hunted in a No Lead zone in California several yezrs, I loaded some Barnes bullets.
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So one of my issues with reloading is I only have a semi auto 308 that dents the brass cases pretty bad (Galil .308).

The idea of having to buy all of the components and not be able to reuse the brass has me turned off to this idea. I have a Dillon 550, but I honestly don't enjoy reloading and only do it to save $ when shooting 300 BLK or .270
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Don't forget some 30-06 black tip and a bullet puller
Thanks for the recommendation. I ordered a few black tips last night
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what are you even planning to use your rifle for? is this just for hunting? is it the main rifle you plan to grab and use for defense?
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Let me add a point I forgot:

DO NOT load Black tip .308
It's not legal to make AP .308 (im.over simplifying)


100% legal to have surplus 30-06, reloading supplies, and primed cases.
Can you elaborate here. Its always been my understanding that you could buy, sell, possess, and load AP, just that FFL's couldnt sell it.

Back during the last ammo thing, when the Norinco 7.62x39 steel core was going for a buck plus a round, my buddy was basically told the same thing when he was trying to get our local dealer to sell what he had. Dealer said he couldnt sell it, but he could, and to sell it on GB.

I understand the 30-06 is no longer considered "issue", and 7.62x51 is, but Ive never seen anything that said you couldnt load it, or buy or sell it. Is this something new?


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I can not imagine buying fmj rounds in 308 for any reason.
For practice, its generally a good bit cheaper, and you can shoot more, for less. No need to burn up the good stuff in practice.


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So one of my issues with reloading is I only have a semi auto 308 that dents the brass cases pretty bad (Galil .308).

The idea of having to buy all of the components and not be able to reuse the brass has me turned off to this idea. I have a Dillon 550, but I honestly don't enjoy reloading and only do it to save $ when shooting 300 BLK or .270
Do they offer a port buffer for the Galil or could you maybe rig one up? I used to have the same issue with my HK91's, and the buffer eliminated the heavy dent, for the most part.

I have reloaded and shot some pretty heavily dented brass. You usually dont get rid of the whole dent on sizing, but a lot, if not most of it comes out, and as long as the round chambers, or passes the gauge, I dont think its an issue.
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Can you elaborate here. Its always been my understanding that you could buy, sell, possess, and load AP, just that FFL's couldnt sell it.

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It's my understanding you need a license just like distilling booze.

Here's some of the applicable codes if you want to dig through it.
https://gunbelts.com/blog/federal-an...munition-laws/


Now you MAY skate under "manufacturing" if you can prove that it's for you, your not selling etc.
You may not.

personally I prefer to avoid 'grey areas ', or arguing terms with the ATF, and since I have plenty of 06's including 1919 conversions.... I'm good just leaving it as loaded ammo.
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If you're shooting it out of a .308 Galil you should either get Wolf steel cased or Malaysian/German/Austrian surplus ammo in bulk and then invest in a bolt action .308 rifle to shoot premium hunting ammo in.

I like the Hornady 150gr Interlocks or 165gr Sierra Gamekings. Upside is that you can shoot the ammo in your Galil (dependent on your COL and magazine size) when you absolutely need to and hunt with your bolt gun.
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What he said^^^^^^

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So one of my issues with reloading is I only have a semi auto 308 that dents the brass cases pretty bad (Galil .308).

The idea of having to buy all of the components and not be able to reuse the brass has me turned off to this idea. I have a Dillon 550, but I honestly don't enjoy reloading and only do it to save $ when shooting 300 BLK or .270
Buy some cheap Tula or Wolf, and enjoy.
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It's my understanding you need a license just like distilling booze.

Here's some of the applicable codes if you want to dig through it.
https://gunbelts.com/blog/federal-an...munition-laws/


Now you MAY skate under "manufacturing" if you can prove that it's for you, your not selling etc.
You may not.

personally I prefer to avoid 'grey areas ', or arguing terms with the ATF, and since I have plenty of 06's including 1919 conversions.... I'm good just leaving it as loaded ammo.
The document states the feceral regs cover armor piercing that could be used in a handgun.
I know of AR pistols in 5.56, but no pistols chamvered in 7.62x39 or 7.62x51 (308 win).
Does not sound like a grey area, but then I am not a federal agent.
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The document states the feceral regs cover armor piercing that could be used in a handgun.
I know of AR pistols in 5.56, but no pistols chamvered in 7.62x39 or 7.62x51 (308 win).
Does not sound like a grey area, but then I am not a federal agent.
These days, pretty much everything has been chambered in a "pistol", whether it looks like one or not. Thnk AR or AK pistols, Contenders, etc.


Ive scanned through the regs a couple of times before, and have never seen anything that specifically says "we the people" cant have, make, buy or sell AP ammo, which leads me to think that it does only apply (at this point) to those who have a license.

The closest Ive come to them actually saying its a crime, is in relation to using it in the commission of a crime........

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/929

18 U.S. Code § 929. Use of restricted ammunition

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(1) Whoever, during and in relation to the commission of a crime of violence or drug trafficking crime (including a crime of violence or drug trafficking crime which provides for an enhanced punishment if committed by the use of a deadly or dangerous weapon or device) for which he may be prosecuted in a court of the United States, uses or carries a firearm and is in possession of armor piercing ammunition capable of being fired in that firearm, shall, in addition to the punishment provided for the commission of such crime of violence or drug trafficking crime be sentenced to a term of imprisonment for not less than five years.
(2) For purposes of this subsection, the term “drug trafficking crime” means any felony punishable under the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 801 et seq.), the Controlled Substances Import and Export Act (21 U.S.C. 951 et seq.), or chapter 705 of title 46.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the court shall not suspend the sentence of any person convicted of a violation of this section, nor place the person on probation, nor shall the terms of imprisonment run concurrently with any other terms of imprisonment, including that imposed for the crime in which the armor piercing ammunition was used or possessed.
(Added Pub. L. 98–473, title II, § 1006(a), Oct. 12, 1984, 98 Stat. 2139; amended Pub. L. 99–308, § 108, May 19, 1986, 100 Stat. 460; Pub. L. 99–408, § 8, Aug. 28, 1986, 100 Stat. 921; Pub. L. 100–690, title VI, § 6212, title VII, § 7060(b), Nov. 18, 1988, 102 Stat. 4360, 4404; Pub. L. 107–273, div. B, title IV, § 4002(c)(4), Nov. 2, 2002, 116 Stat. 1809; Pub. L. 109–304, § 17(d)(4), Oct. 6, 2006, 120 Stat. 1707.)


Doesnt mean the states dont have rules against it, and places that regulate breathing and thinking, like NJ and a couple of others, Im sure do, but I guess thats between you and your state.
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I know that from using 5.56 ARs there is definitely a benefit to having plenty of Hollow/Soft Point rounds for increased performance, but I'm wondering if stocking up on Soft/Hollow points for a .308 are really necessary

Being that I just added a semi auto .308 to the family I am debating if I should stockpile:

A) Only FMJ rounds which would allow me to purchase even more ammunition.

or

B) 30% Soft/Hollow point rounds and 70% FMJ rounds giving up on quantity and having rounds that are better at expanding.
We stack 7.62x51mm and 308 win deep here, as well as reload for it. This cartridge has been our primary centerfire rifle cartridge since it replaced 3006 in the 70s.

Semiautos as well as bolt action rifles.

Since you are primarily interested in a stockpile for one rifle specifically, here are a few suggestions for you......

1. Before you stock heavy in any paticuler load, buy a small amount at first to insure that your rifle cycles it reliably, and it merits your accuracy requirements out to your effective range. This includes milsurp 7.62x51mm.

Note: A shooter's log should be started as well. In short.....document your findings as you put pills downrange with your rifle.

Note: I have had multiple squibs via Tula 308 before, and it is extremely inconsistent fodder, so wont recommend this junk at all any longer.

3. Once you find a decent load that is affordable, cycles thru your rifle, etc.....stock up to the point of your minimum standard in terms of amount. ( This should include ammo to stock for your cache program if you have one, and especially your " training fodder".

Note: 7.62x51mm fmj may not be the top tier hunting load by any means, but it can be used for hunting and does more than what most assume. I have used it often via hog eradication as well as deer hunting ( legal in my neck of the woods).....and it gets the job done if you do your part.
Match / OTM via 168gr works even better, and especially when the distances surpass 300 m.

4. Learn to reload and but some supplies for this. At minimum.....enough to learn the skill. For a specific rifle, it wont cost all that much if you know where to look.

5. Now that your basics are covered, you can start diving into various loads that interest you and find what your rifle likes.
I have well over 300 different loads documented thru one rifle since it was built in 03. ( Rifle itself is at 87k total as of now)
Also track effects concerning barrier tests, terminal effects via year around hunting and hog eradication, as well as using a lab radar chronograph when it comes to factory loads as well as reloading.

If I had to choose one load for a " do all" type, for all North American hunting, security, eradication, etc.....( factory and/ or reloading), then it would be the Barnes 168gr TTSX) It cycles reliably in the rifle below, consistent accuracy, excellent terminal performance, and is a very consistent load when up against barriers such as autoglass. ( Better than the AP loads tested here)

Edit: Have hunted all medium and large game across the country ( including Alaska) with rifle in below pic......so hunting with a 7.62x51mm chambered semiauto rifle works just as well as a bolt gun in same cartridge for a fact.
Last pic shows a few hogs taken in a handful of seconds with that rifle using RI M1 BALL. ( Found 3 more inside the treeline after pic was taken.)

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Before you stock up, figure out what works best in your rifle. Since its an autoloader I would worry about reliability first, then accuracy. First thing I would do is examine some spent cases to get an idea of how concentric the chamber is.

I load for all my centerfire firearms. With only one exception in 50 years with several hundred guns, my ammo always shoots better than factory stuff.
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The document states the feceral regs cover armor piercing that could be used in a handgun.
I know of AR pistols in 5.56, but no pistols chamvered in 7.62x39 or 7.62x51 (308 win).
Does not sound like a grey area, but then I am not a federal agent.
There are AK, FAL, and HK pattern pistols.

Cheap Chinese steel core (not really AP) got banned because those *******s at Olympic made <a dozen 7.62x39 'pistols' which everyone in the industry has been avoiding doing for just that reason.
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GEt a bunch of Federal power shock or Remington Core-Lokt, or Winchester power point, and a bunch of Fmj. Those aren’t much more expensive, and they’ll be multipurpose
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It's heresy to the 30 cal faithful, but 7.62X51 ball isn't the juggernaut that the disciples think it is.....

There are much better bullets to load in your .308.


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