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Old 10-15-2019, 02:46 AM
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I've been trying to figure this out also. I think you're onto something.

Our troops out of the ME..screw the never ending wars of the muslims. Let them kill each other.

Turkey, which has proven itself an enemy of western ways, the USA and many other regional ethnic groups..will suffer. Not by American troops on the ground but by sanctions.

If/When NATO supports Turkey, because they are a member and Russia moves in to support the Kurds, it proves how useless NATO is. Gives Trump option/choices to support/withdraw or somewhere in between for NATO.

If/When other NATO countries support Turkey..it proves how useless the EU and their current politics and beliefs are.

If the UN doesn't condemn Turkey..because it is a NATO country..therefore enlightened like the other NATO/EU trash....it proves how useless the UN is.



A lot of dominoes and most importantly is that our troops are out.

Europe/NATO needs Turkey to remain in NATO for military strategic/geographical reasons.
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Europe/NATO needs Turkey to remain in NATO for military strategic/geographical reasons.
No it doesn't. Turkey works against NATO and US in every conflict. They're nothing but an air base. They won't even let us use the airbase in our wars. The only reason they let us have it at all is so that they can seize our nukes should they ever want to use them. We don't even need the nukes there anymore. We've got plenty of range on our weapons and we don't need to sneak them in to nuke Soviet oil fields in the Caucasus or get around Eastern Bloc countries. We can just base them right in Poland and Romania if we want to.

Turkey exploits the alliance for their own interests at the expense of everyone else and they're hostile to other NATO nations. It's a completely 1 sided alliance. We get absolutely nothing from it. They get everything they want and can get away with anything by hiding behind NATO.
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Do I not recall the Erdogan himself has made loud noises about restoring the Caliphate? With Turkey, (and by inference himself) as Caliph?

I've only had one business dealing with Turks, and as I said before, I didn't find them at all trustworthy, and did find that they expected large bribes before they'd do anything. I eventually was able to convince my bosses to walk away. You can guess what my advice to Trump would be.
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I've been trying to figure this out also. I think you're onto something.

Our troops out of the ME..screw the never ending wars of the muslims. Let them kill each other.

Turkey, which has proven itself an enemy of western ways, the USA and many other regional ethnic groups..will suffer. Not by American troops on the ground but by sanctions.

If/When NATO supports Turkey, because they are a member and Russia moves in to support the Kurds, it proves how useless NATO is. Gives Trump option/choices to support/withdraw or somewhere in between for NATO.

If/When other NATO countries support Turkey..it proves how useless the EU and their current politics and beliefs are.

If the UN doesn't condemn Turkey..because it is a NATO country..therefore enlightened like the other NATO/EU trash....it proves how useless the UN is.

A lot of dominoes and most importantly is that our troops are out.
Thank you! You are one of the few who try to understand rather than knee jerk blame.
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Europe/NATO needs Turkey to remain in NATO for military strategic/geographical reasons.
No! That may have been true post WWII. It is no longer true today.
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I trust Turks about as far as I can throw a Buick, but I gotta admit the Kurds have been a thorn in their side. In a just world Anatolia would still be full of Greeks, but the ME isn't a just world. Hasn't been since muhamed started diddling 9-year-old girls. We can't fix it without sterilizing it, and we have neither the means nor the will to do that.
Agree that opposing Assad was a fool's errand. Ever look at this whole Arab spring business Bush and the dems engaged in? In every nation ... Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Iran, they took the side of the sharia compliant Muslims and opposed either secular dictators or pro democracy forces.

As far as not having the means, sure we do. Just not the will. We and Europe have forgotten our own history, thanks to a hundred year superiority in force of arms that we achieved over the Muslim forces. They haven't.
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Turkish Troops taking a selfie with an Islamic State fighter 3 hours ago.

Edit: Well then, that didn't stay on Twitter very long.
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Trump did the right thing by pulling US troops out of Syria. Let those lying Muslim bastards kill each other off, no more US boys will be killed needlessly. About time a President with balls to get us out of a "perpetual war". Defense contractors and corrupt politicians be damned!
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Kurds are mooselimbs. If they were the only ones left in power after we "helped" them, they'd start working on ways to strike at the great satan just like all factions of the religion of pieces do.
Actually, many Kurds are Christian. I have worked with them both in 1991 while in the military and also in 2010-2013 as a contractor. They have stood side by side with us and were very friendly and reliable in the field.
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Do I not recall the Erdogan himself has made loud noises about restoring the Caliphate? With Turkey, (and by inference himself) as Caliph?
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Please, cite the source for these loud noises.
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Please, cite the source for these loud noises.
He cannot prove a negative. One cannot source something that did not happen.

Have you really gotten that senile?
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The Kurds befriend anyone who serves THEIR purpose.



Turkey was brought into NATO during the cold war when NATO and the Warsaw Pact were taking in anyone and everyone they could to bolster their ranks regardless of their ideological make up.

In both cases, our enemy's enemy is not our friend.
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The Kurds befriend anyone who serves THEIR
Just like everyone else.
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Please, cite the source for these loud noises.
He cannot prove a negative. One cannot source something that did not happen.
Have you really gotten that senile?
Do you or do you not not grasp the difference between "I do not recall" and "Do I not recall?
Read, Mr. Buttinski, and let the old coach answer
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Just like everyone else.
Speak for yourself PE. I'm selective and genuine about who I associate with, our nation should be too.

We supported the Mujahideen (Taliban) against Russia and those chickens came home to roost in a bad way.

I'll say it again.... Our enemy's enemy is not our friend.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1184527561193328643

Watch that video. What ISN'T in that video? That alone is reason to support the Kurds over the other guys.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1184527561193328643

Watch that video. What ISN'T in that video? That alone is reason to support the Kurds over the other guys.
Nice video, unfortunately all I heard was فَلَمْ تَقْتُلُوهُمْ وَلَٰكِنَّ اللَّهَ قَتَلَهُمْ ۚ وَمَا رَمَيْتَ إِذْ رَمَيْتَ وَلَٰكِنَّ اللَّهَ
رَمَىٰ ۚ وَلِيُبْلِيَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْهُ بَلَاءً حَسَنًا ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ

I don't think we are supporting the Kurds or the other guys.

America First.
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Right, that Turkish/Kurd conflict in Syria isn't an American problem, but it's clear the Turks are the attackers, and America shouldn't be a friend of attackers. The Turks misbehaved, they deserve sanctions. Trump has twitted about it, but I'm waiting to see them getting real.
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Nice video, unfortunately all I heard was فَلَمْ تَقْتُلُوهُمْ وَلَٰكِنَّ اللَّهَ قَتَلَهُمْ ۚ وَمَا رَمَيْتَ إِذْ رَمَيْتَ وَلَٰكِنَّ اللَّهَ
رَمَىٰ ۚ وَلِيُبْلِيَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْهُ بَلَاءً حَسَنًا ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ

I don't think we are supporting the Kurds or the other guys.

America First.
The Kurds are the only ones in the region who aren't constantly finding snackbars and killing people. I don't want to send troops, but I'm certainly cheering them on. The snackbar clerk killings need to stop.
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The U.S. used the Kurds just like it used others. During the '80s, Iraq used chemical weapons on them with covert support from the U.S.
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