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I want to take up a self defense system that's not rooted in any mysticism. I researched it as much as possible and I couldn't find any. Does anybody know if its safe from any mysticism?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krav_Maga

So not directly... but the elements from other martial arts may involve some spiritual beliefs going back.
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Krav Maga is not. It was designed simply for practical self defense.
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So can I avoid the stuff they take from like judo and just do the practical stuff?
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Yes. No bowing, chanting, knot tying, robe wearing or incense burning. It's purely utilitarian and the training can be very physically intensive. Much like fighting.
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The reason I ask this is because I DON'T want to do some pose that was originally was used to summon spirits (devils and demons).
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Neither do I. I like practicality. Many people find those old traditions fascinating and some people even think there remains some spiritual power in it. I think it's nonsense but to each their own.
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The reason I ask this is because I DON'T want to do some pose that was originally was used to summon spirits (devils and demons).
No martial art that I'm aware of has ever involved any spirit summoning. Perhaps your research should lean toward actual history and practitioners of the art(s), rather than authors who make their money selling paranoid, demon hysteria on the shelves of christian book stores.
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No martial art that I'm aware of has ever involved any spirit summoning. Perhaps your research should lean toward actual history and practitioners of the art(s), rather than authors who make their money selling paranoid, demon hysteria on the shelves of christian book stores.
Wrong. Let's start with SHAOLIN KUNG-FU.
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No mysticism that I'm aware of, it was invented after WWII out of need for a practical and effective means of unarmed self defense.

You could just go with good ole fashioned boxing and wrestling though. So many people over look them but they really do work. They've been around for literally thousands of years for a reason. Just realize that outside of a ring there's no rules and suddenly they're every bit as effective as anything else. Like anything it's the amount of practice that really matters.

I am a bit curious about the aversion to anything that could have possibly come from someone who's beliefs were tied into martial arts. Why does it matter if someone thought learning how to throw someone better made them closer to internal peace or whatever, the biomechanics of their technique still work. Just because you learn how to do it doesn't mean you have to praise buddha or are dishonoring your own god.
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Wrong. Let's start with SHAOLIN KUNG-FU.
....Shaolin are Buddhists....Buddhists don't try to summon spirits....
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....Shaolin are Buddhists....Buddhists don't try to summon spirits....

We're probably wasting our time. These folks appear to be working from the claims of "occult experts" who claim things such as: mantras used in transcendental meditation are codes for the names of demons whom the practitioner is inviting in.

It is a bizarre combination of bible thumping and foil hattery that wants to label everything not specifically Christian in origin as evil and demonic. I would wonder how they deal with Santeria, but then I remember these are the sort who don't think Catholics are Christian (which is bizarre, considering -every single- Protestant denomination has its roots in the Roman Catholic church.)
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Only if you jab the other guy in the eye with your magic wand --
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Systema
It was developed for communist speznatz they're atheists ergo no religion.
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....Shaolin are Buddhists....Buddhists don't try to summon spirits....
Incorrect. Half of my family are Buddhists for generations, and hundreds of years. And they certainly play around with the spirit world. The many statues of their gods at their monastery are super freaky.
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We're probably wasting our time. These folks appear to be working from the claims of "occult experts" who claim things such as: mantras used in transcendental meditation are codes for the names of demons whom the practitioner is inviting in.

It is a bizarre combination of bible thumping and foil hattery that wants to label everything not specifically Christian in origin as evil and demonic. I would wonder how they deal with Santeria, but then I remember these are the sort who don't think Catholics are Christian (which is bizarre, considering -every single- Protestant denomination has its roots in the Roman Catholic church.)
Sounds more like this is exactly what you want to waste your time with since you're getting all worked up with. The guy asked a question because he's specific about what he wants to abide by. Why don't you just go to another thread?
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It was developed for communist speznatz they're atheists ergo no religion.
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Nope

Every good Jew knows this - even me

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krav_Maga

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I want to take up a self defense system that's not rooted in any mysticism. I researched it as much as possible and I couldn't find any. Does anybody know if its safe from any mysticism?
You're probably safe with Krav Maga. Krav basically takes techniques from different styles such as Western Boxing, Muay Thai, Wrestling and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. There are different federations of Krav, so not all are the same. Some Krav gym may go more with the Karate route. There are certain elements of mysticism in Karate. In Muay Thai, there's putting your hands together like praying and bowing to show respect. Muay Thai has their dance, Wai Kru, which can serve as a form of warmup, before a fight, but also has clear origins from Hinduism.

But in general, if you want to get deep into what's going on, well the Devil is a highly intelligent, eternal being and one deceptive mofo....and this is his only job for tens of thousands of years. I doubt that there's anything that he's not involved in.
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But in general, if you want to get deep into what's going on, well the Devil is a highly intelligent, eternal being and one deceptive mofo....and this is his only job for tens of thousands of years. I doubt that there's anything that he's not involved in.
You mind explaining that -- I dont get it

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Wrong. Let's start with SHAOLIN KUNG-FU.

My Kung fu instructor was adamant that Buddhism is a philosophy and not a religion. But there may be countries where it is practice as a religion as in Tibet. I initially signed with this instructor because I am not religious or even the least bit spiritual.
If someone were of a fundamentalist religious nature, could they not just practice the physicality of the fighting style and leave any mysticism out?
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