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Old 09-08-2019, 02:59 PM
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Yah except we won't tax you and regulate you out of existence, we are just fed up with their lies and BS.

This is the core of the argument.

Climate change deniers HAVE to attack all arguments about climate change. If they admit there is ANY problem, then it follows that solutions need to be considered.

The only tools that societies, on a whole, can use are government restrictions, laws, and rules.

Invoking more rules, laws and restrictions on an already over restricted society is the real issue.

This is a issue I'm very sympathetic with, even though the information I've seen and personal evidence strongly suggests that we are experiencing climate change.
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Ha Ha Ha Ha. Milankovitch Cycles and Sun spots ie solar input.
http://www.astronomy.com/news/2019/0...ods-in-history
Which is why CO2 ppm tracked surface temp. anomaly and maxed out at 300 ppm.

But it's now above 400 ppm, ocean heat content unaccounted for, and over 50 positive feedback loops kicking in.

NAS and BEST (funded by deniers) studied the matter and came up with the same conclusion. Groups ranging from the U.S. military to issuers have been issuing warnings to their personnel and clients.

In response, the public goes "ha ha ha ha" because it argues that it's all either a "hoax" or "natural" or that _____ (gov't, capitalism, innovation, creativity, etc.) will save them. That's the same public that goes "ha ha ha ha" at peak oil and anything related to global crises because the future will be wonderful.

Survivalists prep, assuming a worst-case scenario. Those are the same survivalists that are laughed at by the public in mainstream media, seen as loons and "chicken little."
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While not specifically addressed here, there are at least a few groups working on pulling large quantities of CO2 from the atmosphere.

Direct air capture can be done with cryogenic expansion turbines, with lower energy use than you might expect. Unfortunately, it's in liquid form and difficult to store. A series of small nuke plants could drive the turbines and do the job. It is absolutely possible.

CO2 can also be removed via other methods from farming to the creation of carbon rich rocks by combining CO2 gas and tailings from mining operations. It can also be turned directly back into hydrocarbon fuels.
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While not specifically addressed here, there are at least a few groups working on pulling large quantities of CO2 from the atmosphere.

Direct air capture can be done with cryogenic expansion turbines, with lower energy use than you might expect. Unfortunately, it's in liquid form and difficult to store. A series of small nuke plants could drive the turbines and do the job. It is absolutely possible.

CO2 can also be removed via other methods from farming to the creation of carbon rich rocks by combining CO2 gas and tailings from mining operations. It can also be turned directly back into hydrocarbon fuels.
Or we can plant more trees...


and then cut them down using gas powered chainsaws and turn them into paper to print out our on line orders from wal mart..and then throw that paper in the garbage and send it to a landfill..along with all packaging and the useless china made **** we just bought from wal mart that's broke or unused..(and all that plastic wal mart **** was made using heavy amounts of hydrocarbons.)

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Liquid co2 can only be formed under pressure, like 5 atmospheres.

Not something i follow but sunspots are cool areas of the sun so wouldn't fewer sunspots mean a hotter sun?
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What politicians and climate change prophets cannot seem to explain in simple clear language is this: How is my giving more money in taxes going to slow down or reverse this so called catastrophe?
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Liquid co2 can only be formed under pressure, like 5 atmospheres.

Not something i follow but sunspots are cool areas of the sun so wouldn't fewer sunspots mean a hotter sun?
The Grand Climate Inquisition continues, with their proselytes such as Ralfy waving their needles and gut hooks looking for those who do not accept their hogwash about Climate Change and CO2. Even tho they have not been proven right in 50 years. Not one of the predictions of the Climate Change Hoaxers has come to pass in 50 years. And still they holler Gaia gonna get you. You all gonna die in 11.5-12 years now. Hand over all your property and submit to our dictats.
Like Ralfy howling about CO2 ppm. At one point the earth was at 6000 ppm of CO2, and the planet just carried on, the various life forms at the time seemed happy. Now Climate Screeeecher Ralfy is howling that CO2 has climbed to 400 ppm. All during a time when global temps have not risen for 20 years. All their models have been wrong, over and over and over again. And still The Climate Inquisition and their Howlers continue. Waving their Gut Hooks and long needles and hat pins in the Full Moon calling on Gaia to strike us all down for not listening to Nonsense regurgitated from the Proven False Doctrines of the Global Elite and the IPCC.
The Paris Accord Demands 100 Trillion in Tax Dollars from the West to be handed over to the UN and its various organs to be skimmed and then the crumbs flushed down to ****hole 3rd world countries as Penance for creating 1st World countries like the USA.
The only Deniers are people like Ralfy who are Denying Reality. Manmade Climate Change is a HOAX and has been proven so over and over. Not one of their predictions have come to pass in 50 years and then they have the audacity to call anyone who ignores the hoax Deniers.
Climate Hoaxers want you dead. If we do as they demand get rid of all Fossil Fuels 3 things will happen we will all be starving in the dark and freezing our butts off backed into a cave gnawing on a bone. Because Fossil Fuels grow the Food and Transport the Food and keep us warm or cool in the heat.
The 3rd world countries that think if they vote for the Hoax at the UN, they will reap big payola and checks and bribes are going to get fooled bad. Without countries like the USA using fossil fuels to grow an abundance and surplus of food they are going to perish because they can not feed themselves.
The Elites intent a huge GENOCIDE of all these people. Don't listen to their illogical rantings, look at the end game intended.
NO FOSSIL FUELS means death to Billions of humans. If the Ralfy's want us all back as hunter and gatherers laying idyllically around a campfire while our women chew hides and we fish
Billions have to die and be sacrificed to Gaia. They want you dead. HA HA HA HAH HA

PS to Ralfy I used your name as my example here, but it is only for discussion not personal, I wish you well.
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"It is the sun plus "greenhouse" gasses... water vapor (H2O), carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4) and nitrous oxide (N2O)"

Um, no. You obviously never took physics or chemistry.
Then what keeps the earth warm? As far as I understand the science, without green house gasses, the earth would be a frozen ball.

Also I have undergraduate degrees in electrical engineering and microbiology a minor in chemistry, and a PhD in microbiology (from a top 10 school). I have taken physics up to graduate level E&M (plus undergraduate newtonian, thermo, E&M, semiconductor physics etc), graduate level P chem, O chem, and biochem. The main physics that applies is E&M as it is about the conversion of electromagnetic radiation into infrared by the physical (not chemical) properties of molecular bonds in question.

I have never taken any climate science so am only going by current published theories of climate science and theories of how greenhouse gasses keep the earth warm. If I had, Im certain they would support what I wrote.

Im presuming that you have some alternate "scientific" view of how the earth stays warm?
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Thought I was joking, about they want you dead. California moving to BAN gas cook stoves. Eventually they will have you backed into a cave in the dark, defenseless and gnawing on a bone. Fossil Fuels produce the food, and deliver the food, fossil fuels heat and cool your homes. Fossil fuels feed BILLIONS of people. Without fossil fuels Billions will die off. The Global Warming Fraud will kill more than all Communists and NAZI's In history when it takes hold completely. The Great Die Off is Coming and Dummies are supporting and voting for it everyday.
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Thought I was joking, about they want you dead. California moving to BAN gas cook stoves. Eventually they will have you backed into a cave in the dark, defenseless and gnawing on a bone. Fossil Fuels produce the food, and deliver the food, fossil fuels heat and cool your homes. Fossil fuels feed BILLIONS of people. Without fossil fuels Billions will die off. The Global Warming Fraud will kill more than all Communists and NAZI's In history when it takes hold completely. The Great Die Off is Coming and Dummies are supporting and voting for it everyday.
http://news.trust.org/item/20190909111047-te8j6
Not gas stoves, gas period. That means no heating with a natural gas furnace. Even though those have gotten into the 90+% efficiency range. Some so efficient they can be vented into the room they are heating.

Which shows you how out of touch they are with reality. Home heating by renewables? As well as, 100% transportation by renewables. There's no way that will happen soon enough and no way it's possible nationwide. These are people living in temperate climates like SoCal who don't rely on heating to stay alive in the winter, dictating policy they want spread across the country.

It's like people in a desert setting the national water policy while the rest of us are getting rain every other day. They'll simply tell everyone in Alaska to put solar on their roofs to heat their homes in the winter and have no clue why they would complain about it. Worse, the people in charge know it won't work and hope they freeze to death.
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Not gas stoves, gas period. That means no heating with a natural gas furnace. Even though those have gotten into the 90+% efficiency range. Some so efficient they can be vented into the room they are heating.

Which shows you how out of touch they are with reality. Home heating by renewables? As well as, 100% transportation by renewables. There's no way that will happen soon enough and no way it's possible nationwide. These are people living in temperate climates like SoCal who don't rely on heating to stay alive in the winter, dictating policy they want spread across the country.

It's like people in a desert setting the national water policy while the rest of us are getting rain every other day. They'll simply tell everyone in Alaska to put solar on their roofs to heat their homes in the winter and have no clue why they would complain about it. Worse, the people in charge know it won't work and hope they freeze to death.
There are almost 8B people in the world. If all Fossil fuel is banned, they will die back to the population level of pre industrialization, pre even steam era. It will be a self inflicted Genocide never seen since the Meteor took out the Dinosaur's. And the crazy part is all the Climate Hoaxers are OK dying for Gaia and the Cult, and they have convinced all the younger generations to join them in the Cult of Death Pact with them.
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Whole boat load of Climate Change Warriors trapped in the ice off Norway. Gaia not happy and not cooperating with the UN/IPCC Climate Hoax.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/...ors-evacuated/
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Ha Ha Ha This is the 5th ship full of Climate Justice Idiots that have gotten trapped in the ice. The poor ignoramus's believed their own Horse Poop so much they sailed right into the expanding ice in the Arctic. Priceless. Gaia is not cooperating with the Climate Screechers and the UN/IPCC. All this ice was supposed to be gone and all the Polar Bears drowned etc. Hopefully some Polar Bears find them before they get rescued. Priceless..
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/201...ppered-by-ice/
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What politicians and climate change prophets cannot seem to explain in simple clear language is this: How is my giving more money in taxes going to slow down or reverse this so called catastrophe?
According to deniers, the science is so complex one has conduct further studies.
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The Grand Climate Inquisition continues, with their proselytes such as Ralfy waving their needles and gut hooks looking for those who do not accept their hogwash about Climate Change and CO2. Even tho they have not been proven right in 50 years. Not one of the predictions of the Climate Change Hoaxers has come to pass in 50 years. And still they holler Gaia gonna get you. You all gonna die in 11.5-12 years now. Hand over all your property and submit to our dictats.
Like Ralfy howling about CO2 ppm. At one point the earth was at 6000 ppm of CO2, and the planet just carried on, the various life forms at the time seemed happy. Now Climate Screeeecher Ralfy is howling that CO2 has climbed to 400 ppm. All during a time when global temps have not risen for 20 years. All their models have been wrong, over and over and over again. And still The Climate Inquisition and their Howlers continue. Waving their Gut Hooks and long needles and hat pins in the Full Moon calling on Gaia to strike us all down for not listening to Nonsense regurgitated from the Proven False Doctrines of the Global Elite and the IPCC.
The Paris Accord Demands 100 Trillion in Tax Dollars from the West to be handed over to the UN and its various organs to be skimmed and then the crumbs flushed down to ****hole 3rd world countries as Penance for creating 1st World countries like the USA.
The only Deniers are people like Ralfy who are Denying Reality. Manmade Climate Change is a HOAX and has been proven so over and over. Not one of their predictions have come to pass in 50 years and then they have the audacity to call anyone who ignores the hoax Deniers.
Climate Hoaxers want you dead. If we do as they demand get rid of all Fossil Fuels 3 things will happen we will all be starving in the dark and freezing our butts off backed into a cave gnawing on a bone. Because Fossil Fuels grow the Food and Transport the Food and keep us warm or cool in the heat.
The 3rd world countries that think if they vote for the Hoax at the UN, they will reap big payola and checks and bribes are going to get fooled bad. Without countries like the USA using fossil fuels to grow an abundance and surplus of food they are going to perish because they can not feed themselves.
The Elites intent a huge GENOCIDE of all these people. Don't listen to their illogical rantings, look at the end game intended.
NO FOSSIL FUELS means death to Billions of humans. If the Ralfy's want us all back as hunter and gatherers laying idyllically around a campfire while our women chew hides and we fish
Billions have to die and be sacrificed to Gaia. They want you dead. HA HA HA HAH HA

PS to Ralfy I used your name as my example here, but it is only for discussion not personal, I wish you well.
There was no large human population and industrial civilization when it was 6000 ppm, so how do you know that both will thrive in such circumstances?

About reality, I'm only using the data you presented against you: natural cycles show CO2 ppm maxing out at 300 and surface temp. anomaly tracking it. It's now more than 400, which means following your denier arguments surface temp. anomaly should eventually follow, right?

What makes matters worse is that the data only refers to surface temp. anomaly. Did you consider ocean heat content?

Finally, you talk about the need to see this as a hoax because we need to use fossil fuels to grow more food and manufacture goods. Did you account for peak oil, or do you think that's a hoax, too?

Even your other points are based on ridiculous conspiracies. A financial elite wants to kill off the Third World? Talk about living in a fantasy world! Don't you realize that the financial wealth of the same elite has been based on growing sales of goods and services in the same? Why do you think the rest of the world is experiencing consumer-driven growth while more affluent countries are experiencing a middle class trap?

The way I see it, the only one screeching, flailing about, and denying reality is you. The only way you can continue maintaining your cute, pollyanna view of the future is to argue that not just climate change but even peak oil is a hoax, and you do that by desperately looking at any reason to give you comfort: it was bad in the past, so we can handle it. We have lots of oil (and even money), and we can solve anything (that's not a hoax) as long as we throw more oil (and money) at it.

Keep dreaming.

That's it. You've wasted enough of my time.
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Peak oil, like man-made global warming has been proven false, please catch up on your readings ralfy. Peak oil was supposed to hapen in 2000, then 2008, then 2018, yet the curve is still going up with untapped reserves and a current oil glut.

Is climate change happening? Yes, because it is part of the cycle. Can we change the results? Maybe by 1-2 percent maximum, the same we contribute to it. Unless we do something radical like launch tons of aluminum foil into the Lagrange point between us and the sun...
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Prof. Carl Otto Weiss, Global Temps have nothing to do with CO2.
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Peak oil, like man-made global warming has been proven false, please catch up on your readings ralfy. Peak oil was supposed to hapen in 2000, then 2008, then 2018, yet the curve is still going up with untapped reserves and a current oil glut.

Is climate change happening? Yes, because it is part of the cycle. Can we change the results? Maybe by 1-2 percent maximum, the same we contribute to it. Unless we do something radical like launch tons of aluminum foil into the Lagrange point between us and the sun...
World oil discoveries peaked in 1964. U.S. conventional production peaked in 1970. World oil production per capita peaked in 1979. According to the IEA, world conventional production peaked in 2005. According to the EIA, shale will peak soon because according to the BIS the world oil industry faces over $2.5 trillion in debts, and needs oil to reach at least $100 a barrel to pay off part of that debt.

To maintain shale production in the long run, the price has to be $100 or more and continue rising. To operate the giant Manifa oil field, the price has to be at least $150.

In short, resources are mostly untapped because their dollar and energy costs are so high it's pointless to do so. There's a glut because of global debt that was brought about to tap a few of those resources.

That's all part of peak oil, and most don't know these because they keep imagining that they've caught on readings about the issue but have not.

The same applies to the topic thread. Every few weeks, someone will write about insolation, cow farts, water vapor, volcanic activity, or others just to maintain the denier hopium.
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