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In short, the Dims are trying to burn it all down to rebuild it in their (constantly evolving and changing with no substance or foundation) imaginary utopia (a mix of "Animal Farm" and "1984" and "Atlas Shrugged."

*Destroying free speech to eliminate criticism of them. (Do you mean by attacking the press?)
*Destroying the 2A to drive out gun owners so they can eliminate voting blocks and actual resistance. (Do you mean by supporting Red Flags, banning bumpstocks via EO and "talking" about silencers?)
*Destroy the economy to use it as a weapon. (after the great recession? or when the President started a trade war and bailed out the farmers? That's ok to bail them out though, right?)
*Destroy due process so they can destroy enemies. (e.g. Kavanuagh hearings) (At least the "dims" gave Kavanaugh a hearing to be confirmed, did McConnell?)
*Destroy family units to cause division and misery. (By locking them in cages or does the destruction of family units only count if you are American?)
*Destroy gender roles to cause division and misery. (spot on with this one)
*Create a poverty class to control. (Trickle-down economics and tax cuts for the rich? that's done so much to help the middle class, hasn't it?)
*Destroy education to control and manipulate, and those run by emotions are easy to control. (By destroy, do you mean hide subjects that are inconvenient? or weaponize it to hold a segment of the population down?)

It's a terrifying reality.
It really is terrifying that there are people that, with an education, the world of knowledge at their fingertips and the exact thing they complain about (see your own post above) are happening on their own side.

It's amazing you quote Orwell, the Socialist who is the basis for this President's rule and fandom by his almost fanatical base.

The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~Orwell

Trump was a lifelong NYC elite liberal. <---read Orwell's quote and then read that again.
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Have you noticed the liberal media and highly visible liberals are suddenly wishing and hoping the economy would tank to destroy Trump?
No, and I'm not sure what alt right-leaning echo chamber is telling you to regurgitate this.

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Actually, no, I haven't. I HAVE noticed that even the President's economic team are noticing that their plans aren't working. You can't blame the Dems for creating the largest deficit in history. Nope, that happened on his watch, no thanks to the huge corporate tax cuts and the unilateral trade war with China. Now he wants to start another one with the EU????

Mr.Trump is famous for blaming anyone, everyone for his problems. This time he's blaming the Fed and the Dems for sabotaging the economy. That's BS.

The problem is simple: there is no coherent economic policy from this Administration. Its all "fly by the seat of your pants, gut feeling" stuff.

And that's destined to create the problems that are emerging and we're beginning to see now.
This is a truth that the Presidents base won't admit. For almost 3 years we heard about the jobs and stock market etc...

For those years, we've seen the telltale signs and the right-wing media and garbage sources are doing what they always do and as you can see it works with the low info people around here.

If things are going well, blame the Dems. The recession happened under Bush, it was Obama's fault, etc etc etc. Just look at some of the stupid comments by the posters here. They have been indoctrinated into the cult of not that their side is righteous, it's the other side is evil.

Know what I've learned. Both sides are evil. Period.
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It'll simply be a bad economy if the media says so.
The media are reporting on a slowing economy because the economy is slowing. The numbers come from many independent sources, including the government from agencies led by President Trump.

Itís not surprising that the economy is slowing, it often comes with Republican administrations.
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No, and I'm not sure what alt right-leaning echo chamber is telling you to regurgitate this.
The echo chamber is actually a Left-wing one....

So-called financial reporter Linette Lopez said on CNN on Dec. “They see that a recession is coming in 2019 and 2020 … It’s sad that we can’t trust the president to be able to control himself in the face of a slowing economy"

A recession is coming. Trump will make it so much worse,” The Washington Post. A slowdown is “overdue,” columnist Catherine Rampell , and the eventual collapse will bear Trump’s fingerprints.

Former Obama economic adviser Jared Bernstein“Trump and the slowing economy: A wounded tiger is a dangerous tiger,” the headline of a column, also in the New York Post

Democratic presidential candidate John Delaney:
said "some members of his party seem to be "cheering on a recession" in hopes of weakening President Trump.

Lefty millionaire Bill Maher said he hopes an economic recession will occur because it's a way to get rid of President Trump."

I won't quote the moronic "Squad" cause no one takes these amazingly ignorant low IQ women seriously.

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A recession is coming. Trump will make it so much worse,” The Washington Post.
That appears to be exactly what’s happening. An economic downturn is predictable for right about now. The economy has been growing pretty steadily since 2010. That can’t go on forever without occasional dips. Also, history shows that Republican administrations almost always bring us a bit of recession in the fourth or fifth year in office.

Additionally, President Trump’s policies will make it worse or at least not make it better. Tariffs are bad for the economy. Most economists say so, and it’s looking like the experiment we’re conducting is proving them right. Also, President Trump’s tax cuts aren’t the kind that provide long term stimulus. Most of the cuts went to rich folk who don’t tend to change their spending habits when they get extra cash. If you want to stimulate the economy, you have to give poor people more disposable funds. They spend.

I’m not surprised the economy is slowing down. I’m also not surprised the media are hyping it... that’s what they do. I’m also not disappointed that the inevitable economic slowdown is coming in time for the election. If the economy has to sputter a little, and it does, it’s good that it may help end the Trump presidency. That’s the silver lining.

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"Also, history shows that Republican administrations almost always bring us a bit of recession in the fourth or fifth year in office"

You mean right around election time when Democrats are doing their best to dump on everything to make it look bad?
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"If the economy has to sputter a little, and it does, it’s good that it may help end the Trump presidency. That’s the silver lining."

And what? Put Buttcrack, Bernie or Biden in office, if so then you are a fool.
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That appears to be exactly whatís happening. An economic downturn is predictable for right about now. The economy has been growing pretty steadily since 2010. That canít go on forever without occasional dips. Also, history shows that Republican administrations almost always bring us a bit of recession in the fourth or fifth year in office.

Additionally, President Trumpís policies will make it worse or at least not make it better. Tariffs are bad for the economy. Most economists say so, and itís looking like the experiment weíre conducting is proving them right. Also, President Trumpís tax cuts arenít the kind that provide long term stimulus. Most of the cuts went to rich folk who donít tend to change their spending habits when they get extra cash. If you want to stimulate the economy, you have to give poor people more disposable funds. They spend.

Iím not surprised the economy is slowing down. Iím also not surprised the media are hyping it... thatís what they do. Iím also not disappointed that the inevitable economic slowdown is coming in time for the election. If the economy has to sputter a little, and it does, itís good that it may help end the Trump presidency. Thatís the silver lining.
I just don't see a down-turn now or one on the horizon. Not that one couldn't pop up. As long as American industry knows it has someone on their side and investors believe they have a shot to make money, the economy will remain strong.

President Trump's pro-growth, pro-business policies are unleashing great economic growth have provided opportunities to workers, investors, new business start-ups at record levels. Is it any wonder the left hates these facts and is doing everything they can to down-play factual statistics.

With Obama we had eight years of worthless and fraudulent investments in windmills and solar panels companies ran by political donors and friends. We saw attacks on oil companies and production.

In short Obama was horrible, probably the worst in history. Now we have real hope and change.



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Here we have another thread going around, (HERE) listing plenty of reasons why there is a looming recession and the Trump base is telling us, the Dems are doing it.

This is after years of the President and his base telling us, oh, so smugly to look at the economy, look at the stock market and look at their 401K's.

So are you more upset by the fact the Media and pundits throwing the angsts back? To me, it seems you are more concerned about what a writer says than the actual events happening.

But...

Now, it's the Dems fault and they are doing it on purpose?

Laughable at best!

Here is the reality.
Personal debt is at an all-time high $14.1T
Treasure notes are at a near all-time low
140 percent increase in lawsuits filed by debt collectors in Texas. (91,500 debt claims in 2014 to 215,000 last year).
BOA raises the chance of recession to 1-3 in the next 12 months.
A third of the U.S. have no money in savings. (Nearly half could not pay bills beyond 40 days)
7 million car owners are at risk of having their car repossessed due to delinquent payments.
That is not pundit talk. Those are facts.

As usual, this president and his base are looking to shield Trump from any wrongdoing and defend him and his failing policies. His policies are not pro-growth, his policies are not helping this worldwide event. That isn't the Dems doing and no amount of bluster or "hope" by the other side will fix the mess President Trump has done. He is the only one who can do that.

So what is it, is the economy failing because the Dems hope so or is everything perfect as the President states?

We know we sit on a house of cards. We know how close it is to all falling down.

You are here telling me because a GUY you SUPPORT is in office, that all is well. You are either obtuse or intellectually dishonest. Either way, your ideology is failing you based on some fanatic adoration of a President that has shown time and again, he doesn't care about America or the American people or OUR RIGHTS.

How was it you ended it? Oh, yeah! Let me know if you want more reality.
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That appears to be exactly whatís happening. An economic downturn is predictable for right about now. The economy has been growing pretty steadily since 2010. That canít go on forever without occasional dips. Also, history shows that Republican administrations almost always bring us a bit of recession in the fourth or fifth year in office.

Additionally, President Trumpís policies will make it worse or at least not make it better. Tariffs are bad for the economy. Most economists say so, and itís looking like the experiment weíre conducting is proving them right. Also, President Trumpís tax cuts arenít the kind that provide long term stimulus. Most of the cuts went to rich folk who donít tend to change their spending habits when they get extra cash. If you want to stimulate the economy, you have to give poor people more disposable funds. They spend.

Iím not surprised the economy is slowing down. Iím also not surprised the media are hyping it... thatís what they do. Iím also not disappointed that the inevitable economic slowdown is coming in time for the election. If the economy has to sputter a little, and it does, itís good that it may help end the Trump presidency. Thatís the silver lining.
This is a great and level headed post. The problem is, those who need to read it and understand it, will never let this sink in.

We all know growth doesn't last forever.

We all know the world is on the edge of an economic downturn or recession.

The difference is, people here and the OP want it not to happen so they bury their heads and blame everyone else.
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So now the President is responsible for peoples poor decisions. Perhaps if schools taught more about personal responsibility and life and had fewer transgender story hours then people wouldn't get caught in student loans, having to have the latest and greatest gadget or buying more house than they need. The liberal take over of the schools systems has resulted in the poorest educated, most entitled group of citizens the USA has ever seen.

They have to have it now, don't understand delayed gratification and haven't had to work for anything. And you blame that on Trump? It has been 40 years or more in the making, the republicans are responsible because we allowed the left to take over the schools the left is responsible because they are idiots.

We all follow sports like they are some holy grail, but probably couldn't tell what our kids learned, or didn't in school this week. When my daughter started home schooling her kids I was worried they wouldn't learn what was needed, now I see they are learning more and getting a much better grounding than any kid I see in public school.

If a recession occurs it is all our faults, not the president, not congress. We the people put those shmucks in power and let them stay there.
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Take a look at Cloward and Piven Economics. That has been the basis for the Democrats' plan to collapse our nation's economy for years. The thing is that it hasn't worked because our economy is too great and good for their moronic idea to work. Failure of a Democrat idea is nothing new at all. That's why their Cloward and Piven economy has always been doomed to failure.
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Honestly I think we got played. The republicans like always gave in to their rich friends. They got all perks tax cuts, deregulation, etc; and the working class is going to get screwed like always. We have had 10 years of continued growth. We are due for a recession. The tariffs are not just having an effect on uncertain supply chains, but also alienated allies from wanting to produce good trade deals. The tariffs worked with Mexico and Canada and the results of that were meager at best. Not working in Europe. Don't seem to be working with CHINA. CErtainly not working with steel as the share price continues to plummet. US steel laying off. Furnaces on idle. It's been two years already.
Tariffs don't work period.
Rich folks on both sides get favors, there's no doubt.

But it's intellectually dishonest to claim that the Ds are for the little guy and the Rs are big mean rich greedy people. Who got the best deals when the economy crashed? All the rich folks on the backs of tax dollars. The housing market was saved thru tax funded bailouts and that helped all the big corporations. The banks were saved thru tax funded bailouts. The auto industry was saved thru tax funded bailouts. The healthcare industry and insurance industry got windfalls.

Meanwhile the little guy lost his job, business, house, and insurance, etc. That all happened directly under Obama and his policies (starting in the final 3 months of the Bush admin in fairness).

The richest most powerful people in the nation are mostly Ds.
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You are right. There are way too many weak-minded liberals. They are called progressives.

Perhaps you should not spend so much of your time watching CNN and MSNBC. Liberals make up the overwhelming bulk of the corporate and wealthy class in this country. They therefore do have a potentially strong influence on the economy.

100 Richest Americans

Take a look at that list. Out of the top 25, the Koch brothers are the only conservatives, and they are not Trump supporters. There may be less than 10 conservatives out of the top 50 wealthiest people.
Exactly.
I don’t deny that corporate interests have their tentacles up in each party. That’s a given. But if you want to use the examples of the bailouts, I am not sure it would have been any different with say McCain running the ship. Plus, while I don’t necessarily agree with the bailouts because it seemed to be at gunpoint, especially with the banks, it did keep people working longer. The so called recovery was meager yes, but modest growth was relatively steady.

The corporate tax cuts were passed just barely a year and a half ago. Gdp was barely 2 percent last quarter. If the liberal media is right and a recession is on the horizon then the American people got screwed big time. We not there yet fine. But I am saying if we do like many financial analysts are saying, the people are going to fry trump because while many here are saying media is trying to crash the economy, others are saying trump is purposely hurting it.

National farmers association just came out with statement today that trump is making things worse. Those Midwest farmers are eventually going to get sick of this little game Trump is trying to play with their livelihoods. I said it a hundred times, some people are just to arrogant and overestimate American economic power. We needed allies to confront China. Instead we alienated allies and have given China the upper hand. They are not on the same clock as us. Many here on SB have been saying this long before the media. China can take the pain longer than we can. They don’t have elections like we do. We needed the EU and East Asian allies to help us with this, but instead are economically fighting against us I.e India.

We will see though. I think they are right. We are due. The question is how bad will it be. And again it’s the working people that will suffer as they always too, not the corporations. I am sure they are preparing just fine and mounted up reserves with the help of lesser tax liability.
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Here we have another thread going around, (HERE) listing plenty of reasons why there is a looming recession and the Trump base is telling us, the Dems are doing it.

This is after years of the President and his base telling us, oh, so smugly to look at the economy, look at the stock market and look at their 401K's.

So are you more upset by the fact the Media and pundits throwing the angsts back? To me, it seems you are more concerned about what a writer says than the actual events happening.

But...

Now, it's the Dems fault and they are doing it on purpose?

Laughable at best!

Here is the reality.
Personal debt is at an all-time high $14.1T
Treasure notes are at a near all-time low
140 percent increase in lawsuits filed by debt collectors in Texas. (91,500 debt claims in 2014 to 215,000 last year).
BOA raises the chance of recession to 1-3 in the next 12 months.
A third of the U.S. have no money in savings. (Nearly half could not pay bills beyond 40 days)
7 million car owners are at risk of having their car repossessed due to delinquent payments.
That is not pundit talk. Those are facts.

As usual, this president and his base are looking to shield Trump from any wrongdoing and defend him and his failing policies. His policies are not pro-growth, his policies are not helping this worldwide event. That isn't the Dems doing and no amount of bluster or "hope" by the other side will fix the mess President Trump has done. He is the only one who can do that.

So what is it, is the economy failing because the Dems hope so or is everything perfect as the President states?

We know we sit on a house of cards. We know how close it is to all falling down.

You are here telling me because a GUY you SUPPORT is in office, that all is well. You are either obtuse or intellectually dishonest. Either way, your ideology is failing you based on some fanatic adoration of a President that has shown time and again, he doesn't care about America or the American people or OUR RIGHTS.

How was it you ended it? Oh, yeah! Let me know if you want more reality.
I don't want to read all your ramblings...but you believe the sky is falling and things are terrible and will be getting worse ...okay <my point made>...thanks
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Take a look at Cloward and Piven Economics. That has been the basis for the Democrats' plan to collapse our nation's economy for years. The thing is that it hasn't worked because our economy is too great and good for their moronic idea to work. Failure of a Democrat idea is nothing new at all. That's why their Cloward and Piven economy has always been doomed to failure.
Personally I think the democrats should say that Trump colluded with aliens inside their UFO's at Roswell N.M. to win the election in 2016.

At least then there would be some semblance of credibility.
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The customer? Right. So why did the corporations get the tax cuts while the middle class got peanuts. It was promised that the corporate tax cuts would give to long term economic success. It's only been a year and half and we already slowing down. So why not leave the middle man out of it and give the cuts that actually mean something to the customer directly. Not the corporation that looks like are going to burn us.
It's natural to "slow down" when you've hit record highs.

The stock market today, even with the "big drop" last week, is higher than it was when Trump took office.
That’s misleading. Points are not the same as the actual value of the stock. Which is why lagging indicators such as gdp are more valuable to use than leading indicators.
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So trump pulls back on his threats of new Chinese tariffs because of the “holidays” as he claimed. Trying to ratchet back trade war and the Chinese say screw you. Let’s keep this trade war going with new round of tariffs. I don’t think the Chinese are letting up. It looks like we are blinking here. We tried to tell you guys. But you wouldn’t listen. You thought we were blinded by trump hate, but it ended up you blinded by trump loyalty.

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This proposed recession has been on the way a lot longer than Trump has been president.
I do agree that the Democrats are pushing to blame it on Trump.
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I don't want to read all your ramblings...but you believe the sky is falling and things are terrible and will be getting worse ...okay <my point made>...thanks
You don't have to read all of them.

Here is the TL;DR version -

Here is the Emporer ording the free market to come back. Why? The failure of his policy.



You don't have the ability, due to your adoration for him, to see reality. Your head is in the clouds.

The sky might not be falling, but we sit on a house of cards.
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Americans are now reaping what they sowed when they encouraged their mis-representatives to support China's entry into the WTO and grant them most favored nation trade status.
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