I was curious to hear from the Kiwi's if people were complying with the new mandates to turn in their semi-automatic rifles? I assume it is for pistols as well although not completely sure? Any new developments with the laws etc. as a result of the recent shenanigans? We don't hear much over here about this anymore.
Not pistols.
No, not yet. The local arms officer who is co-ordinating it said to wait as they are still waiting for a legal opinion of what it actually means. Legislation is so contradictory in places even they cannot clearly interpret..... which is a bad sign.
Lots of people seem to have accidentally dropped theirs while canoeing in deep water over the last few years, such a common accident.....
Thanks for the update. As I do not know the inner workings of your judicial and legislative systems it's interesting to me. From the way it looked at least from here your prime minister enacted this. I don't know if she needed to be able to get the rest of your government buy-in or it was solely within her ability to do so alone? Have any other new laws been enacted as a result?
120 seat parliament, and a 61 majority to pass a law
Driven by Prime Minister, but she alone cannot pass it - that said the Arms Act amendments were passed 119 to 1. It is a unjust and poorly written piece of legislation - but it only affects 20-40,000 people so politicians thought they could be away with it.
No other new laws directly related to it.
The NZ Police and Customs both say the law disallows export.
The latest unsubstantiated rumor is that crushers will be installed at police stations.
But frankly the whole process so far has been such a morass of politicians’ and lawmakers’ ignorance, bigotry, confusion and lies, that when the true endgame is publicized, it won’t be believed.
Firearms owners are now a minority in this country, it would have been different 60+ years ago when owning a firearm was part of daily life, but the vast majority of New Zealanders are urbanised and uninterested in firearms, so public support of resistance would be nil, plus with no agreed legal stance it would further the need to disarm. The U.S. revolution happened at the right time and the lesson hasn't been allowed to be fogotten.
Only the Maori know the importance of pushing back and the ones who never forget have been armed "illegally" for years anyway (numerous AKs and SKSs disappeared up north. In the seventies and eighties) In short it needs to be fought legally and fairly and we kiwi firearms owners need to teach our friends and family the positives of firearms ownership.
So it appears. I believe that if the handing-back was going full speed ahead the MSM whores - but I repeat myself - would be writing it on their doorposts with the blood of their firstborn*, to publicize it. But they're not.
They can troll / trawl through the last 5 years of sales by gun shops. That will take time, but they can hire people with our tax monies, to do that.
Previously private sales were allowed. That 'loophole' has not been closed because the murderous basterd used it to commit his atrocity.*
* Oh no - wait, that didn't happen. NZ immigration let him in from Australia and NZ police gave him a firearms license to buy his weaponry legally. The only illegal thing he did from a firearms license point of view, until he opened fire
the sick f*ck, was that he used high-capacity magazines in weapons he was not supposed to use them in.
The list gives 3 price options depending on condition. Before our USA brothers fall over backwards, NZ guns are more expensive than guns in the US and the NZ$ is worth about 60% of a US$. The prices are occasionally okay but mostly on the low side of the retail sticker price.
People may also not realise this, but ANY firearm with a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds is now prohibited. Yep, a BSA Sportsman 15 is a prohibited weapon. Many old lever and bolt actions with tube magazines are illegal. There is provision to have weapons fixed to limit the capacity of these old weapons and government will pay up to $300 to fix them to a lower capacity.
There are many parts that are prohibited as well - mainly high-capacity magazines. Even 15 round 10/22 magazines are prohibited parts.
The community is not particularly happy with events. The law change was a knee-jerk reaction. It was never going to be a participative process and the public was given 4 days to submit on the proposed changes. The hearing went ahead and nothing changed in the proposed law. It went ahead as planned. Specific firearms were declared to be prohibited by order in council, a way if making things illegal without going through the full lawmaking process. The so-called buy-back is really only compensated confiscation, as there is no option to hold onto the firearms. Technical issue, the government also never owned the firearms in the first place, so they can't actually buy them back.
To receive compensation for prohibited firearms you are required to have a valid firearms licence. If you are handing in parts and accessories included in the prohibited list, you do not require a firearms licence to receive compensation. QUOTE from the police link.
Jim in NZ, I'm really sorry this is happening to you guys based on a knee jerk reaction implemented by a whack job socialist. After watching the video and researching those websites, I can feel at least in part the pressure the average law abiding citizen must be under right about now. Their agenda is very clear and it's scary at least from my eyes. Our 2nd Amendment wasn't written to protect hunting rights it was meant to make sure our own government never over reaches itself. I know our country is unique in that and it's thinking. I'm not judging you or your nation because ultimately it is up to you to decide how things are done and all I can do is sit on the sidelines observing. I do fear they can really now start doing whatever they want to you just based on how this was passed without common consent which is pretty scary. I don't know what the best answer to all of this is for your countrymen maybe there isn't one. It's really a shame though.
Well, Jacinda Ardern is a known socialist (and so a communist, based on the historical fact that a socialist is simply a communist who is taking your money and your guns - and is not, just yet, pointing your former gun at you).
And the price list looks superficially reasonable to the unaffected until we note that
1. this is confiscation not a buy-back. That cannot be stated often enough.
2. it's enforced asset-seizure and therefore State extortion under direct threat.
3. all optics, many accessories, all spares, and all mods go uncompensated.
4. we must depend on the good will of the State thugs oops I mean public servants present on the day to see whether we get 25%, 75% or 95% of the original price
5. to appeal a valuation costs $120 minimum (that's the fee to the State, not any lawyer or other costs).
6. the hand-ins will be in public allowing for filming, doxxing, attempts at shaming, and providing car plate numbers etc for thieves to track, to go shopping via home invasions
etc.
I don't see an answer.
Refusing to hand in guns means the might of the State lands on us. We have already seen how a toxic idiot who distributed nasty comments after the Christchurch atrocity - and I yield to no-one in my contempt for his actions - got 21 months in jail for basically insisting on freedom of nasty speech when rapists and murderers and killer drunken drivers routinely get minimalist fines and home detention for leaving deaths and shattered lives in their wake. (If speech is only free when it is State-approved, it's not free).
I personally intend to hand my gun in during the currency of the amnesty period because I do not want to spend 5 years in jail and I need to keep a job to provide for my family. I have no doubt whatsoever - excuse the repetition - that TPTB are aching to make an example of a recalcitrant former law-abiding firearms owner.
And NO politician or policeman in NZ has said anything about how they intend to take already-illegally-owned-and-acquired guns off gangs / criminals.
That is because there is no plan for that. They think that because they are taking the firearms from law abiding citizens nothing like that shooting will ever happen again. This is one of the many very ugly sides of socialism you see they really don't care about you or the average NZ citizen. It is about power and if the law abiding citizen no longer has means to protest unjust government actions anything goes with the government. It's pretty simple, this isn't about public safety, it's about socialist control to easily evolve into it's big brother- communism.
1. The media in NZ is completely against firearms and firearm ownership. They are spreading a message that only military style semi automatic firearms have been prohibited. This is not true. Any firearm (at this stage pistols are excluded) that has a magazine holding more than 10 rounds is prohibited, and shotguns with more than 5 rounds fixed magazines or any shotgun with a detachable box magazine is prohibited. Lever-action and pump-action rifles with tubular mags with a capacity of more than 10 rounds are prohibited - even if they are rimfires. Think gallery guns... Gone.
2 Firearms are now referred to as weapons in the media, rather than tools. (except by the police, who suddenly referred to them as firearms when 11 were stolen from an unattended police station, including firearms that were in "safe-keeping" as evidence and some handed in under the firearms amnesty).
3 We are a small, island nation. We can't run anywhere if the SHTF. We are a smaller population than New York City. It would be very difficult to hide out, if we were wanted by the authorities.
4 We are law abiding citizens by definition. In order to get a firearms licence, you are assessed to be a 'fit and proper person'. To not comply with the government's rules would be against our nature. In contrast, there are politicians that voted for this legislative travesty, who have criminal records that would make it difficult to get a firearms licence.
This does not mean we are happy. We are ****ed off, to state it mildly, but lashing out would have significant consequences for anyone that does. The same goes for not complying.
The way that we are portrayed in the media is always negative, and we have no means of setting the record straight.
The media depicts us as a bunch of thugs, who have no value for life, uncompromising and completely unreasonable. The average person believes we should hand over our guns for lower prices than we paid for them, and they believe that would be a perfectly reasonable thing to do. They don't get that these firearms were acquired in complete compliance with the law. They are being removed from our possession with compensation under threat, not 'bought back'.
5 The government never owned our firearms to begin with, so even the terminology is a lie, to emphasise the reasonableness of the government.
Lastly, please remember that NZ is a bit of a social experiment where things are tested before global roll-out. Think EFTPOS, or paying at point of sale with cards rather than cash... Fight this with everything you have and don't let it go this far.
I just watched a news segment saying people were not turning in their firearms. It went on to say the government was having a really difficult time with this because none of them are registered in a national data base. Other people refusing to turn them in were stating they are not being properly compensated for the firearms. It had a small link about ol' jacinda the magic commie fuming about this. In the end I think they are going to get your guns but it's nice seeing some good folks resisting this even to a small extent.
"Firearms are now referred to as weapons in the media, rather than tools. (except by the police, who suddenly referred to them as firearms when 11 were stolen from an unattended police station, including firearms that were in "safe-keeping" as evidence and some handed in under the firearms amnesty)."
The word is now out that NZ police paid NZ taxpayers' money to buy back the firearms stolen from the police station, a theft facilitated by their carelessness. But of course, no media or politicians are calling this fencing stolen goods - even though it is.
Precisely what we said in Oz in 1996. Murder rate has not changed, only the methods.
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