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Old 03-24-2020, 01:13 PM
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So, to those who are sure this is a big nothingburger:

When would you start to worry? With numbers. At which point would you say: "this is a problem, we need to take action".

Is it when it gets to a certain treshhold of deaths, infected? When someone you know dies? When you see people dying? When the military starts to transport coffins out of area's as they're doing in Italy? When you're under full marshal law quarantine? When's the moment where you would draw the line?

This isn't to troll, but i would actually like to know at which point those people would change their mind, since all they're saying now is: it's nothing, business as usual, just let everyone catch it and be over with and it won't be so bad. No indication of at which point they would see it as something to be addressed.
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So, to those who are sure this is a big nothingburger:

When would you start to worry? With numbers. At which point would you say: "this is a problem, we need to take action".

Is it when it gets to a certain treshhold of deaths, infected? When someone you know dies? When you see people dying? When the military starts to transport coffins out of area's as they're doing in Italy? When you're under full marshal law quarantine? When's the moment where you would draw the line?

This isn't to troll, but i would actually like to know at which point those people would change their mind, since all they're saying now is: it's nothing, business as usual, just let everyone catch it and be over with and it won't be so bad. No indication of at which point they would see it as something to be addressed.
Its hardly a nothing burger and will most likely impact my life through loss of loved ones and economic harm but I am still not going to get my panties in a twist.
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Its hardly a nothing burger and will most likely impact my life through loss loved ones and economic harm but I am still not going to get my panties in a twist.
So at which point would you worry? That's the whole idea behind this question.

I'll add my viewpoint btw: i don't quite worry that much for myself, but i am worried for friends and family.

From what i see, this has the potential to be a giant disaster, or a blip on the radar. It'll depend how people react. In some countries, it already is a giant disaster. If we do nothing, our healthcare won't be able to handle all cases. If we can do something to lower the transmission rate, this can be a bit more deadly flu type situation. Still bad, but manageable.
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i'll start worrying with the nukes start flying...or if yellowstone blows, lol, i'm out at my ranch and everyone out here is on at least 80 acres, no worries about the virus out here.

the real problem is going to be the economy after all this is over, the people who don't own their things are going to be in big trouble and it's going to take at least a decade to recover from this.
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So at which point would you worry? That's the whole idea behind this question.

I'll add my viewpoint btw: i don't quite worry that much for myself, but i am worried for friends and family.

From what i see, this has the potential to be a giant disaster, or a blip on the radar. It'll depend how people react. In some countries, it already is a giant disaster. If we do nothing, our healthcare won't be able to handle all cases. If we can do something to lower the transmission rate, this can be a bit more deadly flu type situation. Still bad, but manageable.
I won’t worry and then I will be dead. I only sweat the small stuff, the near death stuff seems to trigger my creativity.
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the real problem is going to be the economy after all this is over, the people who don't own their things are going to be in big trouble and it's going to take at least a decade to recover from this.
As i said on page one of the original virus thread... The consequences of a pandemic cannot be separated from the virus.

Pandemics affect more than physical health
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We have very few cases here in NH, yet today they setup hospitals with the National guard at a local high school and a local college. That was a bit disturbing.
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So, to those who are sure this is a big nothingburger:

When would you start to worry? With numbers. At which point would you say: "this is a problem, we need to take action".

Is it when it gets to a certain treshhold of deaths, infected? When someone you know dies? When you see people dying? When the military starts to transport coffins out of area's as they're doing in Italy? When you're under full marshal law quarantine? When's the moment where you would draw the line?

This isn't to troll, but i would actually like to know at which point those people would change their mind, since all they're saying now is: it's nothing, business as usual, just let everyone catch it and be over with and it won't be so bad. No indication of at which point they would see it as something to be addressed.
IC, whats up with Germany's numbers of sick and dead.. they just dont seem to add up, as in, they donr seem to be true. Are people talking about that over there?
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To me its not a matter of worry,but change.I still go to work,go home at night,same as always.I'm sure I'll be affected,but there is nothing I can change.
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IC, whats up with Germany's numbers of sick and dead.. they just dont seem to add up, as in, they donr seem to be true. Are people talking about that over there?
I'm in Belgium, so can't really say. Think Cephallous or something like that is from Germany.
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When would you start to worry?
Implied premise: there is such a time to worry. Please quote that verse in Scripture.

In my daily devotional reading yesterday in Deuteronomy, there was an NLT study note for 1:19-21
"Don't be afraid! Don't be discouraged!" The expression 'Don't worry' and its variations is the most common command in Scripture.
Let me add, we should ACT prudently AT ALL TIMES. But we should never worry.

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They'll keep moving the goal posts
We are not getting out of life alive. We are meat covered souls traveling @ 55,000 mph through the lifeless vacuum of space on this small rock. What are you worried about?


The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and pay the penalty.
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So, to those who are sure this is a big nothingburger:
Just because some of us criticize the hair-on-fire doomer panic and grossly inflated fatality percentages doesn't mean we think it's a nothingburger.

The world has been in lock-down for less than a week. Another week should tell if what we are doing is working. We as in me too.

What's obvious to me is that the very high infection rates come from places with very high population densities and where people are bum-hole to elbow most of the time.





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Talk like that is dangerous, this C-Virus is dangerous. To not treat it as such is completely irresponsible. You think this is just a conspiracy to take total control? What is there to control when the world falls apart because of the total destruction of the world economy? This is why people need to take this seriously, If you do not believe the numbers whether infected or death rates, at least act like you have enough intelligence to look at the economic destruction of every nation on the planet, That alone should speak volumes to you.

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Since the over whelming number of deaths are happening to people over age 80 with compromised immune systems, I won't worry until I reach that age (in 10 years).

I refuse to sit in the house and wring my hands like most of the sheep.

Old and sickly please self quarantine and let the rest of us get back to work.
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We pleaded with my parents to return as they are at a home about 1200 miles from my place and my sisters. They both said they are watching the news and if they need to they will come home. When asked what their tipping point was neither gave a definitive concrete answer. I do not remember the exact words but it amounted to when they "feel" they should. By the time that happens it would be too late I pointed out.

I think many will not admit that this is very serious(not the end of mankind) until it is too late. They will have no one to blame but themselves but that will not stop them from trying.
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We're mostly adults here; act like it. You can speak your thoughts, opinions/stance without trolling/flaming/mocking and name calling of other members.

This goes no matter "which side " you happen to fall on, you think it is major, you're not sure or you think it is "nothing" you can still treat the other members as you'd wish to be treated. We are all in this together not matter what it is (or isn't)
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Death toll is now 6x that of the 9/11/01 attacks. We're at 18,200. Increasing exponentially. 100,000 by May.
Infected numbers are confirmed at almost 1/2 million. We'll reach 1 million by April. 10 million by May.
Nearly all markets are impacted, mostly negatively. Jobs, equity and fixed indexes, oil, precious metals, bitcoin, etc. Retirements and savings hit badly. Government will be spending TRILLIONS of dollars which devalue currency thru vast inflation and add on to the debt...

How can anyone NOT be worried about the micro and macro impacts?

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This is serious, but I do not and will not worry.
It's very serious, but I am not afraid.
I will do my level best to follow lawful orders put out by our President, the CDC, or anyone with the authority to issue them.
Whatever is done will not save a single life. At best it will postpone death for a time for some people.
I pray every day that people would understand what some of us believe. It would make this life a lot more peaceful if not more pleasant.
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This goes no matter "which side " you happen to fall on, you think it is major ... OR
How in the world can anyone think this is not major? Correct me if I am wrong but I believe this is the 1st time the World Health Organization ever declared a global pandemic.

From that flows many things. I am in a State that issued the other day a "Stay At Home" Quarantine for all but essential needs. Business around the world is put on hold.

So, while this is major, I have probably been one of the more outspoken of the 'keep your wits about you,' keep things in perspective camp. I do not see this as any kind of contradiction. A couple of weeks ago I relayed the story of being a passenger as the driver turned Left toward an 18-wheeler turning left. That is, my life could be ended by something unrelated to what all the fuss is about.

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