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Old 12-19-2018, 10:44 PM
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Buy for $120..... Pay another $40 or so for the Range Kit (longer barrel and extended mag).

This little pistol is dead, crazy accurate and dirt cheap.

I love keeping this dude in any vehicle, including my motorcycles to pop the occasional Grouse. And it will do the job!

Get past the Phoenix, crazy number of 'safeties'..... but it is darn good.


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isnt some of the safeties on that like you cant even drop the magazine unless its on safe or something?.. i think i seen where somebody pretty much disabled all of them except for the main safety and it functioned more like a normal pistol
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They wear out.

Do a google, you can get them to send you a lot of the parts for free.
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I like mine it has it's quirks like I can't get it to run hotter stuff like mini mags, but it will actually run all day long on Thunderduds. Go figure that one out.

Nice for plinking, but they do like their recoil springs. The company will send you a new one when yours wears out, but they are cheap enough you might as well just order a 6 pack.
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one problem with them though is its zamak, also known as pot metal which isnt a very good material when it comes to long term durability.. the reason you find cheap guns using zamak though is because its melting point is only like 700 degrees so a lead smelter can melt it down and its easy to cast.. its fine for plinking, maybe even good for hunting, but its not something id expect to survive a long time without factory support

they may even send you a new frame when yours wears out.. take the parts out of yours, put them in a new frame, toss the old frame back in the smelter and make a new one
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No they won't send you a new frame. Thats the serial numbered part. It would have to be rebuilt by the factory. For the cheap price I would just buy a new one. Good luck wearing one out if you stick to the recommended ammo for it.

Depending on the actual alloy of the Zamak the melting point can be between 725 and 950* so unless you plan on walking through Hell with one in your pocket I doubt that it matters. Its melting point is far above your melting point.

I have read many good reports about them. All except you can't use high speed loads in them. You are restricted to standard velocity loadings.

I don't know if they still make them or not but in the past they also sold a 25ACP version. I would be all over one of those if the offered it with the longer barrel kit like for the 22s.
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Had one of the deluxe range kits for years. Probably close to 3k rounds and it's still humming. Never used the long barrel. Only ever used federal bulk .22lr in it. Plenty accurate at 10-15 yds.
I did mod the mag drop safety and the mag inserted to fire safety.
Lips on the magazine are soft and I've broken one from tweaking it back several dozen times.
I have went thru about 6 recoil springs but they have been sending me a 3 pack for free when I call them. Got 3 I haven't used yet.
Have seen where they can get crappy if you have to send it back more than a couple times though.

Definitely don't regret the purchase and would buy another one.
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the idea of melting it isnt a concern, i was pointing out that the low melting point is why its so popular in low end guns, you do not need specialized equipment to work with it

and the frames on the phoenix arms pistols will crack, its not a matter of if, but when, and the average round count before the frame cracking seems to be around 2,500 or so rounds.. however phoenix arms gives lifetime warranties to the original owners of the pistol and should the frame crack they will replace it with a new one when you send it in.. when i said they'd send you a new frame, i meant when they return yours after sending it in

a lifetime warranty that even includes replacing the frame for free is more than worth what you pay for them as a range tool, plinking gun, or small gun hunting, but because they are prone to cracks with standard pressure ammo, it just isnt something id rely on for a long term SHTF scenario.. theyd be great for a bugout bag if you have a place to go with better tools
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I had one of those. I thought for the price if it worked it would be a cheap plinker and decent intro gun for novices, especially smaller females who are afraid of loud noises and recoil.
It worked for the most part but I couldn't get passed all the safeties, just too annoying. Also, probably more annoying was that after 7 rounds it was very difficult to load the other 3 in the included mag. Enough so that I just used it as a 7 rounder. I traded it towards something else and figured to get a Rough Rider for a cheap .22 plinker/intro gun. I don't miss it.
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had a 22 phoenix back in the mid to late 90's, loved that little gun. often thought of buying another,
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Has some nice characteristics -- the size is near ideal for a handy .22 -- but I'd personally rather pay double for a pistol that will easily exceed 100k rounds and still be a quality piece in a century.

Israeli surplus Beretta 71's can be had for that, and they're fantastically reliable, beautifully made, and unreasonably accurate for a pistol of the size. Not to mention their actual combat pedigree of besting AK-wielding terrorists (google Mordechai Rachamim).
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I have one. When it used to work it was a good little plinker. For some reason I can’t get a round to chamber when racking it. I got it used and assume the warranty won’t carry over for me. I need to call them and ask I suppose. These things seem to have a crazy amount of parts when I was looking at Numrich if I remember right.
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Way too many safeties on them, phoenix arms is located in kalifornia which explains why it has that many safety features because heaven forbid you're actually able to fire off a round...LOL
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They must have fixed them, I have one from the 90's and it's a POS. Yes, the safeties are rediculous! I ended up glueing the slide safety.
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skip to 11:18 of this video and he shows you how to fix the safety quirks so you can drop a magazine with the safety off, and operate the safety without a magazine

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I have one. When it used to work it was a good little plinker. For some reason I canít get a round to chamber when racking it. I got it used and assume the warranty wonít carry over for me. I need to call them and ask I suppose. These things seem to have a crazy amount of parts when I was looking at Numrich if I remember right.
Probably needs a recoil spring.
Call them and tell them you need a recoil spring chances are they just send you 3 for free. Even if they charge you for the springs it's $6 for 3 so $2 apiece.
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Probably needs a recoil spring.
Call them and tell them you need a recoil spring chances are they just send you 3 for free. Even if they charge you for the springs it's $6 for 3 so $2 apiece.
for the cost of the gun and the lifetime warranty only being for the original owner, he's probably better off selling what he has and buying a new one
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for the cost of the gun and the lifetime warranty only being for the original owner, he's probably better off selling what he has and buying a new one
You've completely opened my eyes to see that you are right. It's way better to spend$120 than the $6(maybe even no $) before just tossing it.
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You've completely opened my eyes to see that you are right. It's way better to spend$120 than the $6(maybe even no $) before just tossing it.
when his frame cracks, and it WILL crack, he'll have to buy a new one anyway, any money he puts into it before then would just be wasted
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when his frame cracks, and it WILL crack, he'll have to buy a new one anyway, any money he puts into it before then would just be wasted
Yeah no way you could save that $6 3pack of recoil springs for a new Phoenix.
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