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Old 12-19-2019, 04:37 AM
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After reading all of your wants/ needs here, a semiauto mag fed rifle chambered in 7.62x51mm would better serve them instead of a shotgun. In addition, you have plenty of wiggle room to " expand" into hunting.......since you mentioned elk. ( Never heard of a shotgun only state where elk and bear are running around......and since you already have another shotgun.....)

1. 20rd std capacity magazines = less need to reload from the outset.

2. 100 yard effective range is just the beginning. Iron sights, RDS, or scopes.

3. Less felt recoil. ( Blast away 100 of any slugs recommended here so far, and compare it to 100rds of 308.) Follow on shots are much easier to accomplish.

4. Use decent ammo and any rifleman can stop, drop, dump, etc.... any critter in this hemisphere with one shot. ( Have already done it 1st hand)

5. Semiauto vs pump means 0 chance of an operator induced short stroke, firing from the prone position ( supported and unsupported) is a much easier task via multiple rounds, and less time to acquire / dump multiple targets...in case a vicious pack of rabid chipmunks attack...lol.

Pics: All below were taken with the same rifle in pic number 3

Used iron sights for both elk, and both bear. Used a scope for that moose. One shot each ( 165gr SGK HPBT and 168gr TTSX)

First elk pic and both bear inside of 35 yards. 2nd elk at 166 yards. Moose at 226 yards.

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I went that route. Then I weighted it compared to a mossberg 500 with 18.5” cylinder bore barrel. The weight difference just wasn’t worth it for me.


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Old 12-19-2019, 10:29 AM
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I went that route. Then I weighted it compared to a mossberg 500 with 18.5” cylinder bore barrel. The weight difference just wasn’t worth it for me.


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Old 12-19-2019, 10:49 AM
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When steel shot became mandator I bought a mossberg. I didn't want to ruin the barrel of my other shotguns. To me upgrading a mossberg is like polishing a turd. It is what it is. Enjoy it as a utilitarian tool. If one wants something better, buy it. One should aways buy and us the correct tool for the job at hand. After all when we look into our tool box is there just a cresent wrench?
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Old 12-19-2019, 11:21 AM
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When it comes to replacing parts and changing configuration, Mossberg's are about as easy as it gets. It benefits from a few modifications or if you prefer upgrades, first being an aluminum trigger housing. The two small ears at the front of the polymer trigger housing are easily deformed or sheared off by using force to seat the trigger group in the receiver. It should basically drop in with minimal resistance. Something to be wary of and may need to be replaced when buying a used Mossberg.


Secondly the exposed (plastic) safety button will crack as it is in an ideal location to catch bumps and or be knocked off safe. Something to keep an eye on. Other than that they are pretty durable. With a basic 500A receiver one can mix and match magazines, furniture and barrels to their hearts content.
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. . . the exposed (plastic) safety button will crack as it is in an ideal location to catch bumps and or be knocked off safe. Something to keep an eye on.
While I agree that keeping an eye on your safety is a good thing, it would have to be pretty dang worn out to "catch a bump" and get knocked off safe. It's a pretty positive detent.

And are you talking 500 or Maverick? I don't have mine right here, but I think the safety switch on the 500 is metal of some sort. The Maverick might be plastic.
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While I agree that keeping an eye on your safety is a good thing, it would have to be pretty dang worn out to "catch a bump" and get knocked off safe. It's a pretty positive detent.

And are you talking 500 or Maverick? I don't have mine right here, but I think the safety switch on the 500 is metal of some sort. The Maverick might be plastic.
The Maverick has a cross bolt safety on the trigger guard that you push with your trigger finger, rather than the tang safety of the 500.

So the Maverick is very unlikely to get bumped or knocked by anything but the user.

Meanwhile, for some reason, the 500 safety is a known wear item.
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The Maverick has a cross bolt safety on the trigger guard that you push with your trigger finger, rather than the tang safety of the 500.

So the Maverick is very unlikely to get bumped or knocked by anything but the user.

Meanwhile, for some reason, the 500 safety is a known wear item.
I guess after 20-odd years of ownership I haven't shot it enough!
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I guess after 20-odd years of ownership I haven't shot it enough!
I feel the same way about my Hi Points...they don’t fail, nor explode. Go figure.
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While I agree that keeping an eye on your safety is a good thing, it would have to be pretty dang worn out to "catch a bump" and get knocked off safe. It's a pretty positive detent.

And are you talking 500 or Maverick? I don't have mine right here, but I think the safety switch on the 500 is metal of some sort. The Maverick might be plastic.

The Mossberg's safeties are plastic unless it is a really really old one then it's a lower profile knurled aluminum affair. Top of the receiver near the grip is an ideal location for a safety as it works for both left and right handed shooter. It's exposed which means it is an ideal location for bumps and knocks.
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The short answer is no
It is a lower pressue round with thicker brass, i.e. less volume
It is the opposite of the .223 which has lower pressure than the NATO 5.56 x 45
I want to put this myth about military brass being heavier/thicker than commercial brass to bed once and for all. I've weighed and measured a lot of brass myself. (Professional failing, I was a statistical process control gaging specialist in real life.) .223/5.56, .308, .30-06. No significant differences. One set of .223/5.56 samples the Lake City came out slightly lighter than the Remington and Federal commercial. In all cases the differences in average weight between sample lots were less than the weight variance within the sample lots.

One significant outlier was a very small lot of foreign 5.56, (PSP headstamp?) which WAS significantly heavier, but I only had a half-dozen cases of the stuff, picked out of a buckets of range pickup brass.

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...which means....???
That would depend on what 7.62x51mm semiautomatic rifle he compared his 18.5in cylinder bore 500 mossberg next to.

My M14S ( 18.5in barrel ) empty weight = 8.3 lbs.
The difference is 1.5 to 2 pounds. In his case.....he is willing to give up all the advantages of a semiauto DBM 7.62×51mm rifle over 2 pounds.....

Note : Add a bit more if a 24in slug barrel is added....and the difference between them becomes less. ( A rifled M500 tube is rather limited if one uses any type of shot through it as well, and severely limits it's usefulness ( especially concerning birdshot) as I have never seen one that would pattern with any predictable results )

What he might want to weigh is actual ammunition instead.

12 guage loaded shell weights below:

2.75 inch slug = 9.55 lbs per 100
2.75 inch 00 buck = 10.28 lbs per 100
3 inch slug = 11.31 lbs per 100

7.62x51mm/308 loaded cartridge weights below :

HOR 125 gr reduced recoil = 4.85 lbs per 100
AO 165gr SGK = 5.28 lbs per 100
Barnes/ AE 168gr TTSX/OTM = 5.30 lbs per 100

That means a difference of 4.25 lbs per 100 cartridges when comparing 308 168gr TTSX/ OTM next to the " lightweight" 12ga 2.75 inch slug per 100 shells.

Who ends up carrying more weight again?

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What I did was simply pick up an extra 18" cyl bore barrel for mine (to replace the 28" standard barrel) Thought about the extra cost for a slugged barrel but since this is a "truck gun" didn't want to invest the extra money in int.

https://www.midwayusa.com/s?userSear...temsPerPage=48

The other option to a longer feed tube or magazine are the newer 1.75" shells which are a nice option especially for the recoil sensitive family members. Make sure you test your shotgun with the shorter shells as some don't feed reliably without an adapter such as "Opsol mini shell adapter". Mine does if I don't rack it hard/fast but steady deliberate.

https://www.aguilaammo.com/shotshell/
https://www.outdoorhub.com/stories/2...tle-shotshell/
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