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FNAR (FN Automatic Rifle) . Pretty much their "updated" version of the Browning

Don't think they ever came with wood furniture though. That, and cleaning them is a nightmare. Definitely reliable and crazy accurate out of the box
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I was going to say mini-14 then I looked on GA and the prices even for used ones is over 600.
I was going to relegate mine to a truck gun but I put together AR15s for half that
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"Lever guns suffer from only non-spitzer bullets...."

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Most do but something like a BLR or the Henry Long Rangers do not
We should be careful in making catagorical statements which are wrong, false and do us a disservice
In fact many will find that such rifles may best the best option if democrats sweep all three branches and we lose the right to own semiautomatic rifles after the 2020 election.
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As if it matters a Winchester 1895 will handle spitzers all day long due to having a box magazine.
This thread is about semi auto rifles that do not look threatening, (what ever that means). If you ask me they all look threatening from the business end...so I'm assuming he's asking about a more traditional looking style of semi auto rifle.
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I'd go with the SKS.

This is an option. It is a CAI gun but it is built by PTR with their receiver and barrel and they do any warranty work if needed.



https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/pro...-rifle-ri3320x

$699, I bought one used but brand new locally for $500 with a bunch of magazines. Also a guy on AKfiles marketplace sells 22 magazines for $60 shipped.

With the wood it looks not as "scary".
Nice, but all kinds of scary. Scary, scary, scary! I jest, a little. While I have no issues with the rifle, this is very much a horses for courses thing, and looking for something that looks like Grampa's old deer rifle. The SKS may push the theme a bit, but is still relatively non threatening as a WW2 era relic with full wood stock.
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In an era of $400 AR15s, $10 magazines, and 30 cent ammo, there simply is no other choice.

Period.

I've criticized the DI system, and I do prefer a piston design. But to the ARs credit it has done a pretty good job proving itself, and, did I mention price?

Four hundred dollars. Ten dollar mags. All day long. There might have been a better choice when they were $1000 and AKs were $300 but it's totally reversed itself.

Four hundred dollars! Certainly as cheap as any good SKS. Worlds better than a old deer rifle for the task. It is a no-brainer.

The Cetme is heavy, clunky, and while I love the caliber, Cetmes are poor quality and not particularly accurate. Mags are dirt cheap though. They can be made into good rifles, but it's going to take work.

M1 Carbines are $1000 for a good example. Parts are scarce. Caliber is akin to a .357. It's a good light short range carbine. Original mags are expensive and of questionable reliability. The Korean short mags are supposedly good and affordable. Ammo can get pricey. The AR is a better choice in every respect. If not AR, for that cash, I'd go AK; a good example is about $800 ish.

Lever guns suffer from only non-spitzer bullets, limited range, and far slower than semi-autos. It's 1800s technology. You can fire off probably 3 AR mags before you could fire off a full lever gun tube and reload it. It's like horse and buggy versus a modern sports car. And, cost. I own several lever guns. They ain't cheaper for the rifle or the ammo than an AR.

And the reason rate of fire is important is that other people shoot back, and may not have hamstrung themselves with antiquated lever guns. They might be dumping mags at you while you fumble to cock your lever gun or reload 1 bullet at a time from your leather gun belt. lol.

{Outside funky local or state laws banning ARs, etc. but those will probably also include other semi-autos so it's a mooted point.}
Already have an AR.

There are mag loaded levers that take spitzers, but that's besides the point. Wasn't really asking about those either.

I'm not really looking necessarily for a ban proof gun, but that may be a consideration. Not planning on giving up any, but would like one that flies under the radar somewhat both in liberal hoplophobic public view, and possible aggressive government actions.
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A Winchester model 100 would be a good choice for a non scary 308 semi auto...
https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...c554_p1_o6.cfm
No personal experience with them, but they are not common, and extra mags or parts availability might be nice. They don't have a great reputation in general, mostly due to the trigger and jamming issues. For those reasons I didn't consider it.
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Lever guns are a little slow on the reload. Rem 760 is magazine fed, and can be had in modern pointy bullet cartridges. Mine shoots way straighter than my lever guns.
Don't mind the idea of a trusty pump, but not what I'm looking for right now. Always have my eye out for one, but haven't owned a 760 or 7600 yet. Used to be able to get big mags for them, but haven't seen one available.
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What about an FN-49? I have one in 7mm Mauser it is the Venezuelan Navy model
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FNAR (FN Automatic Rifle) . Pretty much their "updated" version of the Browning

Don't think they ever came with wood furniture though. That, and cleaning them is a nightmare. Definitely reliable and crazy accurate out of the box
Very nice, but fairly pricey. I noticed that they have a chrome lined barrel, but what else is in the list of changes, or is it just generally a better gun?
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What about an FN-49? I have one in 7mm Mauser it is the Venezuelan Navy model
Maybe a decent option, but they are coming up in price. I'd also like something that is fairly easy to mount optics on. Is that doable with that rifle?
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I shoot only iron sites, sorry. They do have web groups who talk about them. I love shooting it, it has an old school feel.
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The solution is a Ruger Mini-30 chambered in 7.62x39, or a Browning BAR, or a Scout length M1a.
Each one of them is reliable, chambered in a suitable cartridge, and minute of coyote accurate well past 300 yds.
The BAR looks the most like your Fathers deer rifle, especially the walnut/blued steel version, and none of them is what you would call cheap.
A new Ruger is the cheapest at $800, and my new Mini-30 can out shoot my bolt action 270 Win.
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I'm not really looking necessarily for a ban proof gun, but that may be a consideration. Not planning on giving up any, but would like one that flies under the radar somewhat both in liberal hoplophobic public view, and possible aggressive government actions.
If that is your main concern, you need to spend that $1k on a larger supply of ammo, mags, accessories.
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"Lever guns suffer from only non-spitzer bullets...."

No
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Most do but something like a BLR or the Henry Long Rangers do not
We should be careful in making catagorical statements which are wrong, false and do us a disservice
In fact many will find that such rifles may best the best option if democrats sweep all three branches and we lose the right to own semiautomatic rifles after the 2020 election.
While only available on the used market, the Savage 99 takes pointy bullets as well. It even has a built in round counter.
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"Lever guns suffer from only non-spitzer bullets...."

No
Wrong
Most do but something like a BLR or the Henry Long Rangers do not
We should be careful in making catagorical statements which are wrong, false and do us a disservice
In fact many will find that such rifles may best the best option if democrats sweep all three branches and we lose the right to own semiautomatic rifles after the 2020 election.
Most any Lever action rifle will take a spitzer style bullet if it's loaded in the chamber first. Only what is in the tube has to be round or flat point. And if you limit your reload to one round (one in the tube) you can have two spitzer rounds before reload.
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Most any Lever action rifle will take a spitzer style bullet if it's loaded in the chamber first. Only what is in the tube has to be round or flat point. And if you limit your reload to one round (one in the tube) you can have two spitzer rounds before reload.
You can also just use the poly tipped bullets and fill the mag tube up.
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In an era of $400 AR15s, $10 magazines, and 30 cent ammo, there simply is no other choice.

Period.

I've criticized the DI system, and I do prefer a piston design. But to the ARs credit it has done a pretty good job proving itself, and, did I mention price?

Four hundred dollars. Ten dollar mags. All day long. There might have been a better choice when they were $1000 and AKs were $300 but it's totally reversed itself.

Four hundred dollars! Certainly as cheap as any good SKS. Worlds better than a old deer rifle for the task. It is a no-brainer.

Edit,
Did you even read the question posed by the OP? He wants a semi auto that does not look like a military rifle.
Further he wants to hunt deer, coyotes, wolves, perhaps even elk and moose with this gun.

Your suggestion does not answer the question.
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You can also just use the poly tipped bullets and fill the mag tube up.
You are talking about the ones used in Hornady's LeveRevolution bullets? You could, but I haven't noticed that type of bullet available as a reloading component yet.
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"Lever guns suffer from only non-spitzer bullets...."

No
Wrong
Most do but something like a BLR or the Henry Long Rangers do not
We should be careful in making catagorical statements which are wrong, false and do us a disservice
In fact many will find that such rifles may best the best option if democrats sweep all three branches and we lose the right to own semiautomatic rifles after the 2020 election.
Don't forget the Savage model 99.
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