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I don't think there are many reasons to own an AK. There were, in the past, when crummy AR's cost 500 bucks while AK's could be bought for MUCH less than 300. The ammo prices are not very different, about 10% for SPECTACULAR difference in performance.
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20 years from now where will you get parts?
Are you saying the market for these hybrid rifles will be dead by then?
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Are you saying the market for these hybrid rifles will be dead by then?
Less than 20 years ago I saw and was interested in an AR10 which accepted (Cheap) HK91 mags.

I don't remember who made it, but it was not a fly by night company.

If I had bought it, parts would be unobtanium.

I tend to buy things which are either to a independent spec (AR/AK/FAL ETC)

Or long established companies, with established models which ALSO have aftermarket parts suppliers.
(Glock, Smith, hi power etc)

The company may not be out of business, but they may no longer support that model.
My Ruger P series pistols for example.
They have an aftermarket supply chain.

I have a S&W sigma 9mms single stack subcompact I Picked up for the collection.
The type where you squeeze both sides of the base of the mag to release it.

While Smith is an established company that model never took off (which is why I got to buy it for the collection for <$200 in box)
Because it was not a commercial success there are no aftermarket mags or parts, and factory mags are giraffe balls high when you chance upon them.

Durable goods should be considered for the long view.
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SPECTACULAR difference in performance?
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SPECTACULAR difference in performance?
Yes, you are right, but I did not mean ballistics, I have meant the consistency. Like M193 is supposed produce less than 1 moa after 10 shots. The russian stuff is not in the ballpark, even.
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I had an AK before I ever assambled an AR. Still like it better and my AR is pretty nice. If I had to lug one across the state and only wanted to wound something bigger than a sqirrel, I would go with my AR but for shooting through brush and woods where I live to kill it, my AK hands down.
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I tend to buy things which are either to a independent spec (AR/AK/FAL ETC)

Or long established companies, with established models which ALSO have aftermarket parts suppliers.
(Glock, Smith, hi power etc)
I agree with what you are trying to say, but I don't think it's really that big of a problem with ARs, or AKs to a lesser degree.

Once you start thinking in terms of parts rather than of guns its becomes easier.

For instance, as you know, I like AR 15s in 7.62x39

This presents a problem of harder to find parts, which would normally be a big deal for me. I've sold off guns before that I really liked simply for logistics reasons. (My beretta CX4 for instance)

If viewed as just one gun it could be a long term problem as I require a specific magazine only made by one company (C products defense) and a specific bolt, made by a few companies but not a common part.

However, if viewed as part of an armory, what I really have are extra uppers, lowers, FCG, furniture, and a couple of barrels and bolts and mags that just happen to be in x39.

If for instance, one of my bolts break, a possibility with x39, and I can't get a replacement, or don't have one (The best way to handle possible future parts shortages is to buy extras now) what I DO have is a lot of extra AR parts that I could still combine with any 556 barrel and any 556 bolt and make a complete standard AR-15 in about half an hour

Instead of looking at an x39 AR as a rare gun that is hard to find parts for, you can look at it like a perfectly normal AR, with a couple of rare parts that can be replaced by standard parts any time you want to.

But it does require an 'armory' approach rather than a gun by gun approach.

I have an AK that I built from an 80% lower, but I like ARs better. I have several in 556, and a couple now in x39.

Worth case, the x39 ARs can be though of as 85% of the parts I need to build new standard ARs and I have to shoot up my x39 Ammo with the AK.

Of course, it all becomes moot if you just go with the "you have what you have" and buy any spare parts NOW.

But this is also why I have AR-15s in x39 rather than so called AR-47s with a dedicated lower and BCG.
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But this is also why I have AR-15s in x39 rather than so called AR-47s with a dedicated lower and BCG.
But that's what we are talking about:

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The KS-47 G2 upper will not work with a standard AR-15 lower.
And yes, you can absolutely can (and should) have extra parts.
I have... Many.

But "**** happens"
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20 years from now where will you get parts?
Buy 2 or more...

I agree with your reasoning though. Even big names have problems with parts.

Steyr is known for coming and going frequently in the US market.

Buddy of mine had to have a gunsmith make him firing pins and extractors for his Steyr SPP pistol. Steyr was no where to be heard from at the time and had no US presence at all.


I like Ruger Security Six revolvers. However, Ruger doesn't support them with parts or service anymore.

Just have to treat it like a surplus gun. Either own multiples or stock up on spare parts while they are available.
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Buy 2 or more...

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Not a bad start, but you don't want both guns out For a $0.05 part thats the first to fail.

(I once aquired an AR missing a firing pin retaining pin.)

In the classes I was In with guys with Robinson arms they would show up with a tool box full of parts...

And they needed to.


I have all kinds of parts.
I also own lots of guns where paranoid be an issue.

But not my "working guns"
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I just bought a CZ 527 in Commie-30 and I love it so much that now I'm looking for an AK.

I really enjoy this round. I'm female and the recoil is about all I can tolerate in a .30 caliber rifle (which is the caliber I wanted to be in), couple that with dirt cheap ammo, and I have a new best friend.

Not only that but if a Red Dawn ever happens, there should be plenty of x39 ammo laying around.
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I just bought a CZ 527 in Commie-30 and I love it so much that now I'm looking for an AK.

I really enjoy this round. I'm female and the recoil is about all I can tolerate in a .30 caliber rifle (which is the caliber I wanted to be in), couple that with dirt cheap ammo, and I have a new best friend.

Not only that but if a Red Dawn ever happens, there should be plenty of x39 ammo laying around.
(Gets down on one knee and holds up a ring made from an AK gas block.)
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Like most anything there is a cost benefit analysis
Based on the super-awesome Battlefield Las Vegas thread on AR15 dot com
The chrome lined AKs will run longer
But surprisingly, the receiver failed before the AR receivers
The AR BCGs failed, but not the recerver
The AK have a crude MOA +/- 3"

I have both
I like both
The x39 is about the same as an ACC .300 Blackout
Without the ability to go super heavy sub-sonic

Either or will do just fine
You do not need both
If you are blessed you will have both
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We shoot AK74 pattern rifles in my family.

Molot Vepr AK/RPK is my rifle.

RedJacket RS-KP MOR is My wifes rifle(bought BEFORE it was discoveed Will was a chomo.

Arsenal(I forget the number) is my sons rifle.

The ammo isn't as hard to find as people think. And they are fine rifles.
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I have an AK74, AK47 and AES-10b......all Romanians.
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I just bought a CZ 527 in Commie-30 and I love it so much that now I'm looking for an AK.

I really enjoy this round. I'm female and the recoil is about all I can tolerate in a .30 caliber rifle (which is the caliber I wanted to be in), couple that with dirt cheap ammo, and I have a new best friend.

Not only that but if a Red Dawn ever happens, there should be plenty of x39 ammo laying around.
*sigh* Just like there will be lots of 9mm laying around in a SHTF situation.
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I have an AK74, AK47 and AES-10b......all Romanians.
All Romanian? Nice!
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I have two Arsenal SAM7Rs x39s
And
Two Galil ACE x39 pistols

These are as good as AKs/AK varients get
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Needless to say, I have "several" from different countries and configurations. The AK has become wildly popular in the last decade. Demand along with import bans have driven the price up, right now there are 3 US manufacturers trying to fill the gap, PSA, Riley Defense and Kalashnikov USA, I'm leaving century out because their US made AK's are not up to par.

PSA and Riley Defense seem to have fairly good pricing, Kalashnikov USA AK's are a bit more money. I'm personally not interested in a US made AK as I'm only interested in authentic combloc AK's and have had most of mine for quite a few years, they didn't cost as much and they were readily available at the time I purchased them, several of the AK's in many collection can no longer be purchased and even parts kits nowadays are a lot of money.

If you really want an AK my advice is to get an imported AK while you still can because they will be banned from importation in the not too distant future. If you cannot afford one or do not care where it comes from then buy a US made AK. I don't think the prices are gonna drop much or get cheaper.

There are 3 choices for imported AK's at the moment, WBP imported from Poland, Arsenal imported from Bulgaria and WASR-10 imported by Century from Romania. If you want a higher end rifle that fires the 7.62x39 then you could take a look at the galil ace made by IWI which is also imported
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Does anyone here own both an AK47 and a 7.62mmx39 upper receiver which you have attached to a mil-spec AR15 lower? How did that work out vs. the AK47?

I’m looking at both options. Cost-wise, the AK47 would be a bit more, but the advantages of a 7.62mmx39 upper receiver is that I could simply use the lower for my AR15, while avoiding the need to buy glass or red dots for the AK47, as my AR15 is already equipped with optics.

I am aware that 7.62mmx39 upper receivers need their own BCGs and admittedly, it’d be a bit awkward to swap not only the uppers but the BCGs while at the range. But as I wrote, after doing the math on both, I stand to save about $100 give or take if were to go with the 7.62mmx39 upper receiver. And given I’ve already invested in upgrades (and will do more) for the lower receiver, such as the trigger, I would not need to spend money on AK47 upgrades.

Any noticeable difference in accuracy between the AK47 and a platform with a 7.62mmx39 upper?
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