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Old 05-25-2020, 03:38 PM
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What’s the fauna and flora like over there? Subtropical and gators?
Near the gulf we are tropical but a little inland and we are sub-tropical with a hardness zone of 9A and 9B depending on location. You can find palms, oak, and a wide range of flora, again depending on location. If you look out my back patio door, my back yard looks like a wooded Midwest lot. Animals run the full range from bears, deer, squirrels, eagles, hawks, to a wide range of sea life including gators. Like most places animals are not a big issue if you use common sense. I’ll post a picture looking out of my patio door shortly. We are @6 miles inland from the gulf.

A lot of people will say Florida is very humid but it depends on where in Florida you are interested in and what % humidity do you consider too high. We used to live in SW Ohio where the humidity is at timeS 95% or higher 24 hours a day. Our current Florida location can be high in the morning but burns off by 10am and probably averages @58% - much better than Ohio. Southern Florida is noticeably higher.

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Areas with "nice" weather are FULL of people and make a poor location for prepping.
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Florida has fairly modest temperature swings between winter and summer. In the map below, the darker the color the lower the temp differential.

But that does not mean the temperature is pleasant year round. South FL is hot n humid for our 6 month long summer. The Oregon and Washington coast can be downright dismal too.

If you click on the link, you can zoom in on the map. You'll find that San Fran has the lowest temp swing.



https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeaut..._greatest_and/
Thanks, this is a great map.

Seems like the depraved and degenerate amongst us also dislike temperature variances! All the areas with low temperature swings are heavily liberal leaning.
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After living all over the US and in most US friendly foreign countries, I like the middle states on the western side of the Appalachians. Get a few days above 100 in the summer to run out some of the Yankees, and a few days below freezing in the winter to kill off the bad bugs and skeeters. I don't like riding my bikes when the weather is cool or cold and currently I ride about eight months of the year. Good area for growing crops and animal feed, low population density, good hunting and fishing, plenty of room to get away from crowds.
Downside is that the Yankees have discovered the area and are flooding in like loud, obese, obnoxious locusts. It's almost a custom to yell "go back to New York" when a native hears one of them whining and complaining at the top of their lungs. I'd welcome a few really bad summers and winters to either kill them off or run them down to South New York AKA Florida. The younger ones have a taste for meth, oxy, and theft.
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Ohio is out if cold is out. We are the eastern edge of one of two black belts of great soil in the US. Almost as vibrantly green as Ireland.

The Carolinas just east of the mountains get a little snow but have very modrrate seasons and good soil. The upper Gulf Coast staes are the other Black Belt of great soil. Like the Carlinas it is quite moderate, humid in the summer and frost in the winter. The prolem west of the Mississippi is that its dry alot with patchwork areas of soil with high clay contents, that means drilled deep wells and lots of fertilizer. ....
Like many Easterners, you have your M rivers confused. The dry part of the American Desert start West of the MISSOURI.
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Yeah, I would take winter over those politics everytime.

The thing is, it seems universally mild climates produce 'liberal' governments.

I think there is something about knowing you only have three months of warm weather to prepare for the other nine that engenders a certain independent attitude in people.
My theory is that it is reverse Darwinism. Weakens the gene pool.

Apparently also attracts riffraff/scamsters. How may ponzi/get rich quick/internet scams come out of Miami/Dade Co. Hordes.
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Most consistant climate sure aint Oklahoma.
We go from 90F to snow to tornados in just one week.
I love it, but it aint for sissies.
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Large landmasses have volatile climates, especially near the centre.
So, look at places near the coast for more stability or indeed Hawaii as mentioned earlier.
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Would it be some desert. Where the weather is consistently terrible?
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The Washington coast, but, as mentioned before, you have to have a high tolerance for dumbocrats. In most of these places the land is also pretty expensive, and difficult to get larger parcels. I think the SW corner of Alaska also has a temperate zone. When I started looking for land I had a boatload of requirements. Reality (cost, political fauna, etc) set in quickly. I bought some land, though am still looking for another piece that gets 20-30" of rain a year and has no HOA...way different than my requirements 10 years ago.
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South Alabama where I live is pretty darn good. I have a neighbor selling two lots of about 3/4 an acre size for 160k total with Bay access "huge"low taxes and 1/2 mile from 1000+ acres. Unicorporated so you can have fruit trees and chickens "many neighbors have chickens". Its kind of like 1980 here still and mostly retirement/we border a farming community on one side and beach city on the other. Small town of about 1,000 people lots of fishermen and mostly ex military with an insanely low crime rate and 15 minutes to the beach 30 to 1 hour to the cities. PM me if anybody is interested, this is an advertisement for a good neighbor that preps as well.
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160k for 1.5 acres? Nope...
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Keep in mind when the temp is between 30 degrees F and 50 degrees F but always wet and rainy it can be much more miserable than a temps of 0f to 30 f but with the sun shining and dry.

Same in the summer, humidity AND high temps are much worse than humidity OR high temps.
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Taking a leaf from the Israeli's book, you have to engineer wherever you live, to have a benevolent environment that feeds and clothes you.

BAD LAND BLUES? WASHED AWAY
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_Israel
Modern agriculture developed in the late nineteenth century, when Jews began settling in the land. They purchased land which was mostly semi-arid, although much had been rendered untillable by deforestation, soil erosion and neglect. They set about clearing rocky fields, constructing terraces, draining swampland, reforesting, counteracting soil erosion, and washing salty land. Since independence in 1948, the total area under cultivation has increased from 408,000 acres (1,650 km2) to 1,070,000 acres (4,300 km2), while the number of agricultural communities has increased from 400 to 725. Agricultural production has expanded 16 times, three times more than population growth.
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Another example of engineering one's environment

One of the most impressive means to deal with hardpan soil and extreme summer heat were the underground gardens of Baldasare Forestiere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest...ground_Gardens
The catalyst for the construction of the underground abode was a result of the hot summers typical of the Fresno area. The inspiration lends itself to ancient Roman catacombs that Baldasare was infatuated with in his youth. Countless hours were spent excavating the hardpan layer that cements much of Fresno's soil to create his underground home. It had a summer bedroom, a winter bedroom, a bath, a functional kitchen, a fish pond, and a parlor with a fireplace.

Interspersed amongst the beautiful stone walls and archways are grottoes and courtyards that allow for pockets of light. The intricate pathways were created section by section, over a span of 10 acres, without the aid of blueprints.
There are 65 rooms in the Forestiere Underground Gardens. The gardens, while subterranean, have many skylights and catchbasins for water.

The plants and trees, some of which are over 100 years old, are protected, by virtue of construction, from the frost in the winter months. Each level was planted at different times, so they bloom in succession, in order to lengthen the growing season. It houses a variety of fruit ranging from citrus and berries to exotic fruits like the kumquat, loquat, and jujube. The trees have been grafted to bear more than one kind of fruit, allowing for a larger variety to be grown throughout the space. Trees and vines were also planted above the dwelling, acting as insulation and forming canopies that provide protection from the elements.
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Visitors are amazed how much cooler it is in the underground gardens, during the mid day heat.
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Type in "rice terraces" into your search engine, and marvel at the many many mountainsides made into lush farmland. Humanity has been reforming the raw land into human habitat for millennia.
There really is no "bad land" or "bad climate" - just opportunities for creative industrious people.


Go buy cheap, crappy land in miserable climates, and unleash your endowed right to live, prosper and thrive.
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Would it be some desert. Where the weather is consistently terrible?
Nothing "consistent" about the desert and it isn't always terrible. In 29 Palms (Mojave Desert) we had everything from quite pleasant weather, to monsoons, to 100+ temps for months to below freezing and snow.
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South Alabama where I live is pretty darn good. I have a neighbor selling two lots of about 3/4 an acre size for 160k total with Bay access "huge"low taxes and 1/2 mile from 1000+ acres. Unicorporated so you can have fruit trees and chickens "many neighbors have chickens". Its kind of like 1980 here still and mostly retirement/we border a farming community on one side and beach city on the other. Small town of about 1,000 people lots of fishermen and mostly ex military with an insanely low crime rate and 15 minutes to the beach 30 to 1 hour to the cities. PM me if anybody is interested, this is an advertisement for a good neighbor that preps as well.
That's stupid expensive. With that beach city (tourists) and only a half hour away from larger cites the area makes a poor prep location. You really aren't as out of the way as you think. Plus that close to beach means hurricanes and flooding. You are looking for a prepping neighbor but a basic tenant of good prepping is to avoid all those things.

We paid $160K for 36 fenced acres that came with a 1452sqft log cabin, well and electric power. Property taxes are just a hair over $500.

We recently bought the neighboring 36 acres for another $16K. Including us, there are literally 6 people living in the square mile our property is in.

There was (might be off market) a 36 acre parcel for sale nearby me with power and guaranteed to hit water for $17.9K.

Out here it's more like 1880 than 1980.
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When I speak to most people the idea of "four seasons" is always seen a positive. Personally I have found that I don't do well in areas where there is a huge variance in climate from season to season and prefer a more consistent climate and weather throughout the year.

From a bugout location perspective, where I would like to have access to water and be able to grow a portion of my own vegetables and edibles, which areas have a fairly consistent weather throughout the year? I really don't do well in the cold and have never been able to adapt.

I have looked at CA, but the politics has put me off. I also had a look at Southern NJ, DE and MD but again, it's pure commie country and I am concerned investing there lest things go even more south in the future.

Ideas appreciated.
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Washington's San Juan Islands, where I lived for 30 years has a fairly warm 4-season climate. Beautiful but growing so my wife and I moved east to Idaho. Check out a map and census data and look at some of the recommendations of John Wesley, Rawles, the survival writer. There is a general area in Idaho with a modified coastal climate. And it is definitely not commie country. Some counties in the region don't even require building permits. Good luck.
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The last place I would live is in socialist New England.
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Keep in mind that many crops require vernalization or chill hours to produce fruit.
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California, Palo Alto/Mountain View (Perfect. Best place on earth. In CA though and in mega cray cray CA)
Côte d'Azur (Nice)
Hawaii, Maui
East Texas, Hill country
South Carolina
Florida

These are places I love and go to.

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