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Old 05-27-2020, 07:27 PM
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...based on what you see and read in the New Zealand and International media; there are many things that the Lugenpresse downplays or simply ignores.

We haven't eliminated it and we haven't eradicated it; the government has just changed the dictionary definitions of those two words; and so far the media have been extremely cooperative in not reminding the government of what they have promised as recently as a couple of months ago.

With one or possibly two* exceptions, all of the deaths so far have been in the very elderly ("the authorities" are keeping very close lipped about causes of death, ostensibly for reasons of confidentiality, but are not even releasing aggregate details). Deaths from the effects of lockdown already outnumber deaths from the virus.

Much of the world has lauded the socialist Comrade Dear Leader for her leadership and success. I am naturally of the opposite view. She was very late to take any concrete steps, for reasons I won't bore you with in this post; and after failing to secure the border, failing to institute appropriate inbound passenger testing, failing to exclude infected cruise ships, failing to prepare for early and widespread testing, failing to prepare PPE supplies and a host of other failures - and then denying a lockdown was coming... suddenly after she talked to some friends in London (by her own public and published admission) she locked the country down for 50 days.

She continues to claim - as do her sycophants - that New Zealand went hard and fast. No, we delayed, prevaricated, did not plan, did not prepare, and subsequently overreached hugely. The government has chosen industry winners and losers - and turned us more or less within a month to a country where 40% will need to support the other 60% for the foreseeable future, and to do so not for months but for years. A surplus of $20 billion has turned into a projected possible deficit of $200 billion by 2023.

...and what now with the virus? because, while we have managed to clamp down on cases - because we are lucky enough to have a large amount of water surrounding us and so you can't drive through our frontier, and air travel has collapsed so we are able to keep up with quarantining the inbound people the government still lets arrive (having basically lied about closing the border to foreigners, and just been found out...) - we cannot stay in a country-sized bubble forever without going back to an early 1900's style of living and a huge mental and physical illness and injury toll. Even if we wanted to do that, and accepted to do that, we simply couldn't afford to pay for imports.

But the entire plan so far from the NZ government appears to be threefold

1. "we be waiting for a vaccine". Sure, and we been waiting for a vaccine against HIV for 40 years.

2. "we be encouraging New Zealanders to travel domestically". Sure, with what money exactly since more than half the population are now out of work and on unemployment, sickness or wage subsidy benefits?

3. "we be opening up a trans-Tasman travel bubble shortly." Sure, and anybody with money to travel will probably buy a one-way ticket to Australia.

As others have said, her job was to flatten the curve. Instead she flattened our country.

I saw no reason to ever travel to Venezuela. and now as it turns out, I don't need to, my country will become Venezuela.
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New Zealand under JA was always going to be a demonstration of what happens to a nation where all policy is some sort of virtue signaling.

Her policy towards the virus just shows how comfortable she is and always will be with destroying economic activity and spending borrowed money.

But since she leads a minority government and is getting tangled up in all the ugliness, hypocrisy and lying that involves, she will most likely get voted out next time the NZ has an election.

NZ is very isolated geographically. Just but anything/anyone that wants to get there has to get through or past Australia to do so.

NZ did not need to go any harder than Australia - and could have gotten away with going less hard and still been relatively untouched by the pandemic.
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Old 05-28-2020, 01:23 AM
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Another interesting NZ Prime Ministerial Socialist outreach:

The most noteworthy appointment in Ardern's diary was a phone call with Chinese billionaire philanthropist Jack Ma, on March 21. Ma is the co-founder of Chinese online retail giant Alibaba and is worth roughly $40 billion, according to Forbes.

Ardern spoke with Ma, via video conference, at 3pm – the pair spoke for half an hour.

Ardern's diary does not say what was talked about, but a spokesman for the Prime Minister said Ma and Ardern discussed New Zealand's response to Covid-19, in particular personal protective equipment (PPE).


Wow, a bit late to the PPE party were you not darlin'? why didn't you get it together a couple of months earlier? Oh yes, that's right, you wanted to shine on the world stage for the Christchurch Terror Event Memorial.

Here is a hint for you JA: the best way to memorialise that event, would be to pass a law under urgency with no real consultation = just like you passed laws that confiscated legally-acquired assets from law-abiding firearms owners - to reinstate the death penalty, convict Tarrant, and have him hung, shot, or drawn and quartered at dawn next week. I don't think anybody would really mind how that terminal event happens. Then, deport his ashes to Australia where someone more closely affiliated with the Southern Cross can dispose of them.
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More than 4200 people died separated from their loved ones around New Zealand between March 25 (when New Zealand went into Alert Level 4) and May 13 (the start of level 3), Department of Internal Affairs figures show.
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She might be the ultimate leftist biatch, but I'd still like to make her pregnant.
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Ft Frostbite: srsly. You never stick it in crazy, if you know what's good for you.

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Another dose of New New Zealand Reality...

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Ummm no
NZ has done a brilliant job, the USA especially should be jealous
NZ will recover economically

As for Venezuela, as you haven’t been there - maybe STFU about it?
Venezuela was destroyed by NATIONALISM and CORRUPTION - don’t believe the conservative lies that it was socialism or anything else. Hugo Chavez and his toadie Maduro were/are wannabe nationalist dictators whose corruption was out of control
Trump would have fitted in well with them, he’s the same kind of dodgy egotist



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...based on what you bc see and read in the New Zealand and International media; there are many things that the Lugenpresse downplays or simply ignores.

We haven't eliminated it and we haven't eradicated it; the government has just changed the dictionary definitions of those two words; and so far the media have been extremely cooperative in not reminding the government of what they have promised as recently as a couple of months ago.

With one or possibly two* exceptions, all of the deaths so far have been in the very elderly ("the authorities" are keeping very close lipped about causes of death, ostensibly for reasons of confidentiality, but are not even releasing aggregate details). Deaths from the effects of lockdown already outnumber deaths from the virus.

Much of the world has lauded the socialist Comrade Dear Leader for her leadership and success. I am naturally of the opposite view. She was very late to take any concrete steps, for reasons I won't bore you with in this post; and after failing to secure the border, failing to institute appropriate inbound passenger testing, failing to exclude infected cruise ships, failing to prepare for early and widespread testing, failing to prepare PPE supplies and a host of other failures - and then denying a lockdown was coming... suddenly after she talked to some friends in London (by her own public and published admission) she locked the country down for 50 days.

She continues to claim - as do her sycophants - that New Zealand went hard and fast. No, we delayed, prevaricated, did not plan, did not prepare, and subsequently overreached hugely. The government has chosen industry winners and losers - and turned us more or less within a month to a country where 40% will need to support the other 60% for the foreseeable future, and to do so not for months but for years. A surplus of $20 billion has turned into a projected possible deficit of $200 billion by 2023.

...and what now with the virus? because, while we have managed to clamp down on cases - because we are lucky enough to have a large amount of water surrounding us and so you can't drive through our frontier, and air travel has collapsed so we are able to keep up with quarantining the inbound people the government still lets arrive (having basically lied about closing the border to foreigners, and just been found out...) - we cannot stay in a country-sized bubble forever without going back to an early 1900's style of living and a huge mental and physical illness and injury toll. Even if we wanted to do that, and accepted to do that, we simply couldn't afford to pay for imports.

But the entire plan so far from the NZ government appears to be threefold

1. "we be waiting for a vaccine". Sure, and we been waiting for a vaccine against HIV for 40 years.

2. "we be encouraging New Zealanders to travel domestically". Sure, with what money exactly since more than half the population are now out of work and on unemployment, sickness or wage subsidy benefits?

3. "we be opening up a trans-Tasman travel bubble shortly." Sure, and anybody with money to travel will probably buy a one-way ticket to Australia.

As others have said, her job was to flatten the curve. Instead she flattened our country.

I saw no reason to ever travel to Venezuela. and now as it turns out, I don't need to, my country will become Venezuela.
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