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Is all prayer is restricted to the Lord's Prayer?
Personally I say no...but the Lord gave us HIS guidance on HOW to pray.
Why do you say personally “no” to the guidance which you say the Lord gave us? You hold us Catholics to your strict application of Jesus’ words, yet you don’t apply the same standard to yourself.

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However, the "church" MADE IT church dogma to pray to Mary.
Point to a Catholic Church ruling which states this dogma.

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The "church" even REQUIRES IT for penance!!!
Again, point to a Catholic Church ruling which “REQUIRES IT” for penance.

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The Lord told us to pray to the Father (especially for forgiveness), not His earthly mother.
Where in Scripture does it state not to pray to Mary?
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Why do you say personally “no” to the guidance which you say the Lord gave us? You hold us Catholics to your strict application of Jesus’ words, yet you don’t apply the same standard to yourself.
Because I did not create a man-made institution ("the church") and require people to pray how I want them to pray.

I, you, anyone can pray to God in any manner you wish...but I, you, or anyone cannot REQUIRE "everyone" else to do it (like the "church" does).

However, the Lord told us HOW we are to pray...and He did not mention Mary!

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Point to a Catholic Church ruling which states this dogma.

Again, point to a Catholic Church ruling which “REQUIRES IT” for penance.
I guess you have never been told by priest during confession to say x-amount of our Father's and hail Mary's???

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Where in Scripture does it state not to pray to Mary?
No no...you don't get to do that...you show me WHERE it says we ARE to pray to her.

Scripture says we will call her blessed, and guess WHAT, she is blessed. But that in NO WAY "implies" we are to pray to her.
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