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My recurve is an essential part of my preps. Primarily for it's stealth capabilities. Second, to save on ammo. But...regardless of what you may have in your arsenal, practice DOES make perfect. Pre-SHTF is the best time to practice, post-SHTF has a VERY short learning curve. I DO NOT waste my time with cross-bows. It's easy to build a recurve, or even a straight-stick bow. You can do so with just a few simple tools. These are easy to find, and cheap to purchase on ebay.

I don't use compound bows either, both compounds and crossbows require *parts.* Having a machine shop handy helps, too. A stick bow can be made with a good pocket knife.

I've built traditional (laminate) bows, and there is more to it than meets the eye. My current traditional bow is a PSE Coyote, when I bought it I didn't think I would like the aluminum riser. Come to find out I do like an Aluminum riser. The takedown feature is an added bonus.
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Why use such a small caliber for game that size?

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Its cheap to buy and less noise vs centerfire. ( Poachers could care less if the animal run s off after they shoot it. Thier main concern is not to get caught.)
I would also take those " drop where they stood" comments with a grain of salt. (22 rimfire and any archery)

Have been culling deer for a long time, as well as hog eradication. Also archery hunt .

For one thing, we never use archery for culling or eradication, as it is too inefficient compared to firearms.

Another thing worth mentioning...... When culling deer in urban environments, you are responsible where your bullet ends up even after it goes through a deer or hog. Its also a good idea to keep the noise down. 22 rimfire will stay inside the critter if you place the shot correctly. ( Not all that hard because critters in built up areas are very accustomed to being around people, and are not Scittish at all. Pretty easy to walk up to them real close.)
And yes.....ammo is cheap via 22 rimfire.

Rural area culling/ eradication is a bit different. Centerfire cartridges such as 243, 270, 308, and 3006 are much more efficient, and especially semiauto rifles. ( As they would be post shtf from a security aspect)

Since this mirrors the other thread very similar to this one...... While I hunt with archery on occasion, it is sport hunting . ( A much different strategy vs year around hunting with the goal of feeding one's family and/ or group. While I respect folks that hunt this way, any of them that actually use this method will honestly admit that a firearm is much more efficient for the task.....let alone security. IMO, stock more ammo, have a cache program that is geared towards this, and learn to build/ emplace traps instead of home made bows and arrows. ( About several dozen other reasons, but already stated them in the other thread.)

And......if folks are right about game becoming non existent post shtf......them other folks that had planned to live off the land via hunting will pose a threat to others that utilize livestock and crops . ( One side will do whatever it takes to feed thier families, while the other side with said livestock will be doing the same. IE. ....protecting what is thiers. ) Since I fall into the second category, firearms with plenty of ammunition have much more importance vs archery. ( Our primary use for archery post shtf = youngster training. Once they are mature enough to pull security over livestock / crops post shtf.....they would have rifles.

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Its cheap to buy and less noise vs centerfire. ( Poachers could care less if the animal run s off after they shoot it. Thier main concern is not to get caught.)
I would also take those " drop where they stood" comments with a grain of salt. (22 rimfire and any archery)

Have been culling deer for a long time, as well as hog eradication. Also archery hunt .

For one thing, we never use archery for culling or eradication, as it is too inefficient compared to firearms.

Another thing worth mentioning...... When culling deer in urban environments, you are responsible where your bullet ends up even after it goes through a deer or hog. Its also a good idea to keep the noise down. 22 rimfire will stay inside the critter if you place the shot correctly. ( Not all that hard because critters in built up areas are very accustomed to being around people, and are not Scittish at all. Pretty easy to walk up to them real close.)
And yes.....ammo is cheap via 22 rimfire.

Rural area culling/ eradication is a bit different. Centerfire cartridges such as 243, 270, 308, and 3006 are much more efficient, and especially semiauto rifles. ( As they would be post shtf from a security aspect)

Since this mirrors the other thread very similar to this one...... While I hunt with archery on occasion, it is sport hunting . ( A much different strategy vs year around hunting with the goal of feeding one's family and/ or group. While I respect folks that hunt this way, any of them that actually use this method will honestly admit that a firearm is much more efficient for the task.....let alone security. IMO, stock more ammo, have a cache program that is geared towards this, and learn to build/ emplace traps instead of home made bows and arrows. ( About several dozen other reasons, but already stated them in the other thread.)

And......if folks are right about game becoming non existent post shtf......them other folks that had planned to live off the land via hunting will pose a threat to others that utilize livestock and crops . ( One side will do whatever it takes to feed thier families, while the other side with said livestock will be doing the same. IE. ....protecting what is thiers. ) Since I fall into the second category, firearms with plenty of ammunition have much more importance vs archery. ( Our primary use for archery post shtf = youngster training. Once they are mature enough to pull security over livestock / crops post shtf.....they would have rifles.

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Buy a cheap ATI SKS stock and a 40lb kids PSE bow and turn them into a home built crossbow. If you haven't built a few zip guns and zip bows for fun, you missed out.
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It takes dedication and effort to become proficient with a traditional bow. I've been involved in archery for years and archery is not a skill I want to put to the test or rely on in a SHTF situation.
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It takes dedication and effort to become proficient with a traditional bow. I've been involved in archery for years and archery is not a skill I want to put to the test or rely on in a SHTF situation.
This is where a tiered system will work best. Firearms are the simple answer and far more reliable to actually put game down. That said, it likely would take a couple years post major SHTF (if there was a major human die-off) before game would recover. A bow is still viable, but an excellent tool to "practice" before that time when game returns. Silent, easy to maintain (keep a few extra strings and arrow parts). It's another tool in the tool box even if not really needed for the first few years; however, that gives you a lot of practice time to improve you skill.

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I like archery, it's fun and challenging in equal proportion, it's a healthy pastime activity and if you stick with it, it can be a rewarding as well.
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Over a forty-year period I have had about every sort of bow sold. THE best was a horse bow (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_bow), hands down. Light, maneuverable, and bloody easy to learn to shoot from a horizontal or slant position. Expensive as hell, but worth the price:
https://www.thelongbowshop.com/collections/horse-bows
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I've made quite a few primitive long bows, mostly out of hickory. They are fun and I'm accurate enough to take a deer at 20-25 yards. In a shtf scenario it would be at least a decade before you'd run out of 22lr let alone people would re learn to manufacture black powder. Fun to think about and practice but not likely to be a primary tool for shtf.
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[QUOTE=hinkak;Fun to think about and practice but not likely to be a primary tool for shtf.[/QUOTE]


I would agree with the above. Livestock, growing crops, trapping , fishing, and gathering would/ should be much higher on the priority list than archery.

....And firearms are the simple answer BECAUSE they are much more effective. Hunting and security. The primary reason why ammunition should have a high priority as well.( Stack it deep or end up launching home made arrows at stuff instead.)

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This is where a tiered system will work best. Firearms are the simple answer and far more reliable to actually put game down. That said, it likely would take a couple years post major SHTF (if there was a major human die-off) before game would recover. A bow is still viable, but an excellent tool to "practice" before that time when game returns. Silent, easy to maintain (keep a few extra strings and arrow parts). It's another tool in the tool box even if not really needed for the first few years; however, that gives you a lot of practice time to improve you skill.

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If SHTF entails a return to the stone age...then a bow would become an apex weapon (after the ammo ran out) although BP would still be a thing.


I have a decent collection of books covering archery and bow/arrow making. Having made my own bows, arrows and (Flemish) strings using modern techniques and knowing the methods and materials necessary to make a primitive bow, I'm confident that I could.


That said....I'm in no hurry to return to the stone age and put this knowledge to use...LOL
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In a real SHTF situation. I believe silent hunting like with bows and snares should be used first. Get game before others run out of their food. Save your food preps and eat the wild game first before others. Silently as possible. Then when most others are hunting and game is scarce, you will still have your stores and ammo. Unless you have a suppressed rifle to hunt with. Bows can also be a good stealth weapon against 2 legged preditors also, to hide your position, but still have your gun as backup, along with a fellow group.
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Ammo runs out, you have snares and a recurve bow as game getters. set the snares for smaller game and have a tree stand for hunting larger game with the recurve with self made arrows, how viable is this option honestly?
the skills needed to be able to are not something you can get overnight ,,,if you are good with a bow and trapping [snares included ] then I think if in a "wild " enough area you could make it work.

your area [game you intend to take]will decide what traps /snares you need,and there is no reason it needs to be limited to "small" game with the right size cable you could snare deer and pigs or with heavy cable probable even moose

for smaller game like coons ect traps are a better option ,a coon will usually destroy a snare,a rabbit not so much if the snares are set right

in my area a couple 330 conibears would keep a small family in beaver meat for years with a few extra triggers and bolts to attach them with,again they can be snared but its way easier to trap them and they general destroy the snare
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It behooves one to first understand how an arrow kills, it has no power to shock and the sensation of being hit with an arrow is akin to a bee sting or so I've read. Anyway an arrow kills through hemorrhage. An animal can travel quite a distance before they bleed out, likewise a two legged critter can inflict a lot of damage before the succumb to blood loss. Forget what you saw in the movies, that isn't the way it happens.
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Why not?
Might end up being the best thing...hopefully we never find out...
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I bought a case of 17 hmr and can readily shoot 1" groups @ 100 yards. 50 yard head shot is a no brainer and not going to be heard by many people or be able to trianglated. 22lr would have a shorter effective range but a 1000 rounds is going to last you a lifetime of hunting in shtf… primitive bows are super simple to make. I would grab my arrows, strings and broadheads and make the rest later... fantasy to think that you're going to plan ahead unless you're living on top of a secluded mountain... even then too many variables.
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This is interesting approach to traditional bow and arrows.

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If SHTF entails a return to the stone age...then a bow would become an apex weapon (after the ammo ran out) although BP would still be a thing.


I have a decent collection of books covering archery and bow/arrow making. Having made my own bows, arrows and (Flemish) strings using modern techniques and knowing the methods and materials necessary to make a primitive bow, I'm confident that I could.


That said....I'm in no hurry to return to the stone age and put this knowledge to use...LOL
Agreed. ..lol

I would be taking current technology with me regardless of whatever " age of man" shtf may replicate. ( Home canning, metal working, medical, etc.....)

Modern firearms would be no different.

Ammunition totals in 308 alone comes to a rough estimate of 500 years or so.

Just completed our inventory via 308 reloading supplies.
( A tad low compared to the above)

Enough CCI #34 primers, IMR 4895/ 4064/ 3031, N140, RL15, BL/C2, Varget powders, and a mix of bullets ranging from M80/ 168gr SMK, and 165gr SGK HPBT to 168gr TTSX ........
.......for a total of 10976 rounds once assembled.

Note: This even includes the primer/ bullet sealant.

Note: We have too much once fired brass, so sold off the excess.

Note: This does not include any other cartridges we stock such as 22lr and 7.62x39mm.

If shtf lasts 500 years or more, I would be amazed. ...lol
In short......
There is no pressing need for primitive archery in any realistic sense of the term unless there are folks out there that only stock a few boxes of ammunition to begin with. ( One could at least buy cases of ammunition instead of boxes, and/ or reload thier own.)
I guess that one could spend 5.65 bucks per round when it comes to 338 Lapua Magnum/ Barnes Vortex TTSX .....Lol

Is it fun to do as a hobby? Challenging, etc.....It can be ....so you bet.

Is it a realistic possibility? Nope. Kind of neat when it's thrown into scifi long term holocost type movies, and pure fantasy at the same time.

Last but not least.....If one does somehow figure that they may actually need to use primitive archery to stay fed as well as security, then time and/ or money spent stocking up more ammunition makes more sense.

One example: A quick internet search reveals 7.62x39mm at 179.40 for a 1000rd case. Add 22 bucks for shipping and it is at your doorstep in a few days.
128 bucks can get you 5000 rds of 22lr 36gr HV CPHP.
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You can talk about it all day but with out the skills of the primitive Hunter and there weapons you won't make it guns are nice I have many of them but I practice more with Paleo weapons than I do with modern I am not into instant gratification.
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As a backup, yes.
I also like the 5 shot semiauto compound bow. Extremely accurate and simple to shoot, especially with a red dot or laser point sight..
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