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So I am getting back into shot gunning, I picked up a Stevens 320 field/security combo. It came with two barrels, the 18 inch seems like it is good for a slug and home defense barrel. The 28 inch has removable choke and that is what I have been toying with. What I want is for the longer barrel to shoot OO and #4 buck well. With the Modified choke it is putting 6 to 7 pellets of 00 on paper that is spread out over the paper. With a Full choke it is definitely tightening up the groups but now all pellets are hitting low right. Every shot. This is all at 25 yards using 2 3/4 shells by Remington, Rio and Military stuff from Winchester. Rio certainly has the most recoil. The target size is 25 inches by 33 inches approx.

Why are my shots going low right with full choke?? It seems weird.

Any info would be great. Thanks in advance..
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That's precisely why people should test their ammo/barrel combinations; there are usually variations that one should be aware of.
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keep trying different loads and choke combinations until you find the ones that work best.
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I have a sawed off barrel that shoots very straight. I like #4 Buck at 30 yards. It patterns nicely. Not enough pellets in OO buck for my taste. My barrel length is 20".
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keep trying different loads and choke combinations until you find the ones that work best.
trulock makes outstanding chokes
http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A86.J...RjVNRZrtnxfKM-
I was looking on that website last night but decided to go cheap and pick up a Bass Pro Shop brand choke for $22 today. That very well could be my problem.

But I see the flush mount from Trulock are cheaper, probably have to get into the higher priced chokes to get good results.
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Every barrel shoots different. If you have adjustable sights, its an easy fix. If not, you'll need to use the load that shoots right.

Generally, buckshot should pattern one inch per yard out of a cylinder choke. 7 yards 7', 15 yards 15" etc. It's not a rule, just a guide.

Choke is not just about size; it's the relationship of the choke size to the barrel size. If you backbore (enlarge) a shotgun barrel to the choke, leaving the choke intact it acts like a tighter choke.

You can use modified or full chokes with buckshot and it will tighten the pattern but there's a small issue; the tighter choke squishes the pellets and makes flat spots; those fly crooked so you get weird patterns. Some loads use plastic powder basically called grex to cushion the shot and it does help.

Not having a choke isn't always a bad thing; some shoot well some don't.

Some loads like Federal Premium with the FliteControl wad really perform at distance shooting half as small as other loads.
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Everybody wants tighter patterns with their shotguns, but think about what YOU need not what deer hunters say you need.

From one side of my yard to the other is about 30 yds. If I take a shotgun to fight in my yard I will WANT some spread to help get hits with fast snap shots. I sawed the choke off when I shortened the barrel of an old Rem M10, so I have cylinder bore. It makes nice round 30" patterns with 00B at 30 yds, just what I want.
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With the Modified choke it is putting 6 to 7 pellets of 00 on paper that is spread out over the paper.
UH that's unacceptable IMHO, 5" spread at 25 yards with 00 is what I can get with my reloads. With 6" for #4 in full which is how I load my SXS, I feel confident out to 50 yards on both 2 and 4 legged critters.
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UH that's unacceptable IMHO, .
I agree. The patterns did tighten with the full choke. But went down right, all brands of ammo. This is all at 25 yards. I tried 35 yards but by that time I was fed up. Had a couple of pellets make it on paper.

At this time in my life I simply cannot just buy chokes and ammo and see what I get for patterns. I just figured that the full choke even being inexpensive
(It is a repackaged Carlson By the way) would pull it all together for me.

I will iron it all out in time. My previous experience with shot gunning is when I was crazy into sporting clays had a Browning Citori O/U with Midas chokes and all the bells and whistles. But I am learning that buckshot and Pump guns seem to be different.
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[QUOTE=Jimboman;9588697] Not enough pellets in OO buck for my taste.

I use #1 buck for the same reason
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Everybody wants tighter patterns with their shotguns, but think about what YOU need not what deer hunters say you need.
Agree.

The longest distance in my house is about 18-20 yards so that's about the distance I tested my cylinder choke 870 at. With some Federal FlightControl 00 buck it made a pattern maybe a little over 5-6". With it that tight I feel confident that should I need to defend a distance out to 25 yards with no problem.
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I got the 320 for a defensive/bang around woods gun. I am one of those that when it comes to firearms I only own what I actually use. I own many and they all have a purpose. I am way more likely to use the Stevens on Coyote, Crow and Deer if someone drags me Deer hunting (no buckshot allowed on Deer in NH) than in a defensive situation. So I am trying get the buckshot groups acceptable out to maybe 50ish yards for Coyote, Deer (where allowed) and things of the like. For H/D the 18" goes on.
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I Emailed Trulock and this was what I was told in a very timely response, maybe this will help others who are patterning and want to try this brand of Chokes.


For 00 buck use our new Boar Blaster™ choke tube. # BBWIN12SPL
Your shells must use a one piece plastic wad for this choke to work.
For # 4 use the TPWIN12SPL again a one piece wad is needed
Thank you for using Trulock Chokes services
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I Emailed Trulock and this was what I was told in a very timely response, maybe this will help others who are patterning and want to try this brand of Chokes.


For 00 buck use our new Boar Blaster™ choke tube. # BBWIN12SPL
Your shells must use a one piece plastic wad for this choke to work.
For # 4 use the TPWIN12SPL again a one piece wad is needed
Thank you for using Trulock Chokes services

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I have had great luck shooting federal flight control 00 out of my cylinder choked shotgun. I would have to check the spread sizes, but shooting at an idpa practice target all 9 pellets stayed in the center 0 ring at 25 yards. All pellets stayed in the -1 area at 50 yards, more then enough to keep me happy

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I have had great luck shooting federal flight control 00 out of my cylinder choked shotgun. I would have to check the spread sizes, but shooting at an idpa practice target all 9 pellets stayed in the center 0 ring at 25 yards. All pellets stayed in the -1 area at 50 yards, more then enough to keep me happy

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Wow! That's great! Maybe I should try this flight control stuff before I buy more chokes. Thanks!
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Wow! That's great! Maybe I should try this flight control stuff before I buy more chokes. Thanks!
I really like them, they are no more $ the winchester, or Remington loads either so it was an easy choice on what to stock up on

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I really like them, they are no more $ the winchester, or Remington loads either so it was an easy choice on what to stock up on

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I will pick up a box in my travels today or this weekend and give it a try.
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I got the 320 for a defensive/bang around woods gun. I am one of those that when it comes to firearms I only own what I actually use. I own many and they all have a purpose. I am way more likely to use the Stevens on Coyote, Crow and Deer if someone drags me Deer hunting (no buckshot allowed on Deer in NH) than in a defensive situation. So I am trying get the buckshot groups acceptable out to maybe 50ish yards for Coyote, Deer (where allowed) and things of the like. For H/D the 18" goes on.
Did you try birdshot with it? I suspect you may have an issue with the concentricity of the threads.

Personally I find cylinder choke worthless so I'd keep working with the tubes and worst case if you can get full to work I'd go with that and #4 buck.
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UH that's unacceptable IMHO, 5" spread at 25 yards with 00 is what I can get with my reloads. With 6" for #4 in full which is how I load my SXS, I feel confident out to 50 yards on both 2 and 4 legged critters.
Dammed impressive for any shotgun or shot size!
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