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Obviously they "go" where they are told. Thanks for clearing that up....

What was said of Iraq was that they had WMD's but that was a lie. The real reasons were insertion of new leaders and control of resources. I have read enough about it to know. I suggest "Hubris; the spin, scandal and selling of the Iraq war" by Isikoff and Corn.

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No problem, you were obviously ignorant of the fact. Glad I could help!

Ok. We've pinned you down to a trolling liberal. (perhaps in the DC area)

There's a thread on here about how the government hushed up FINDING WMD's.

And mentioned therein is the fact that liberals IGNORE The other stated reasons for going in and try to act like its that exclusively.

Yep, go check it out, MIGHT keep you from trolling for 10 minutes.
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I'm not here to start trouble, you call me a troll and liberal..why the abuse? Who cares where I am from.

You sir are the "troll".

Can we please get back on topic...



Other countries have banned incoming flights from the affected countries, like Jamaica, they don't have the resources to ebb the virus like we do, but maybe that is why they are blanket stopping flights, it is their only way to prevent and/or slow the virus spreading.

I hope that our Guardsmen and women are isolated for the max incubation time when they arrive back in the states. Preferably on a nice island base where they can relax a bit after duty for a couple weeks doing paperwork, remote training and teaching other soldiers about their experience.

May they all return unharmed.
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It gets better: guardsmen who contract Ebola while in Africa will be quarantined in Liberia. So much for not leaving anyone behind.
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It gets better: guardsmen who contract Ebola while in Africa will be quarantined in Liberia. So much for not leaving anyone behind.

No surprise here. I am friends with and a supporter of victims of the Camp Lejune base water poisonings (RIP Janey Ensminger). The gov't is perfectly fine with using you up and leaving you without adequate help... May this not be the case with these men and women. I hope they have a NIH level 4 equivalent treatment facility set up. Scientists won't touch Ebola/Marburg without Level 4 protocol.

What it really important to the USGOV is keeping the virus for itself, meaning keeping a bio-weapon out of terrorists hands. Each and every case is big $$$. So protecting the soldiers from exploitation (other than the government's own) is a top priority as well. Treating them at the source must be their best way of overseeing and containing this valuable virus...



The biggest problem with a large-scale outbreak is the virus's potential to mutate. Initially, when they virus was first recorded in 1976, outbreaks were short and small. This changes when the virus mutates, or is bio-engineered, to infect the host for longer periods of time. The longer it is active in your body, the longer and further it can be transmitted.

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I'm going against the grain and saying sending the military is a good idea to combat Ebola at its source. They have the independent support systems and resources to handle this. Its really the only organizations that could handle a true pandemic. The UN doesn't count. They have history of playing grabass in bunkers when it gets difficult.

What bothers me is I see it as deploying NG assets in the wrong way. Even though well trained the national guard shouldn't be expected with all the different missions on hand to train up in a few months for such a dangerous and important task. Its not a question of training or capability its a simple problem of them not having enough actual time. Its not a simple humanitarian mission.

This is why you dont over deploy and cut the military at the same time. I knew this was coming when they started the two theaters of war concept and started pulling reserve/national guard more.
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I'm going against the grain and saying sending the military is a good idea to combat Ebola at its source. They have the independent support systems and resources to handle this. Its really the only organizations that could handle a true pandemic. The UN doesn't count. They have history of playing grabass in bunkers when it gets difficult.

What bothers me is I see it as deploying NG assets in the wrong way. Even though well trained the national guard shouldn't be expected with all the different missions on hand to train up in a few months for such a dangerous and important task. Its not a question of training or capability its a simple problem of them not having enough actual time. Its not a simple humanitarian mission.

This is why you dont over deploy and cut the military at the same time. I knew this was coming when they started the two theaters of war concept and started pulling reserve/national guard more.
The military is the only COMPETENT branch of the government. Mostly because combat is the most Darwinian environment imaginable, incompetence costs lives. Of course they can build and run Obola centers better than the CDC or any civilian government agency.

That said, sending in the National Guard for this (which are State Militias) is IMPROPER, and quite possibly illegal.
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I'm not here to start trouble, you call me a troll and liberal..why the abuse? Who cares where I am from.

You sir are the "troll".

Can we please get back on topic...



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I called you a troll because when I saw that insanity you posted, almost identical to your post in another thread (which has been deleted) I checked your posting history and saw you showed here and posted pretty much th e same wording over and over about how Ebola wasn't real, it was a conspiracy etc.

That's called trolling.

Someone who's been around for years pointing out a troll is not trolling.

Interesting that you've changed your tune....
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I'm going against the grain and saying sending the military is a good idea to combat Ebola at its source. They have the independent support systems and resources to handle this. Its really the only organizations that could handle a true pandemic. The UN doesn't count. They have history of playing grabass in bunkers when it gets difficult.

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They need doctors, not people unqualified to combat the disease.

Basic NBC training is inadequate to deal with Ebola, and it's my understanding they are being deployed with inadequate PPE.
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The logistics behind strong tracking measures and mandatory isolation is more important then the doctor treating the illness. Food delivered at doorsteps could be the critical step. I did quite abit of NBC, the military discipline and procedure is superior to a better space suit idea.
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They need doctors, not people unqualified to combat the disease.
The US Military does have an extensive branch that is dedicated to medical care. In addition, the general care of infected/sick does not require a specialist just a basic medically trained individual. Also consider that it is not just the medical staff, but their support as well; the US Military is very good at dropping into the middle of nowhere and sustaining.

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Basic NBC training is inadequate to deal with Ebola, and it's my understanding they are being deployed with inadequate PPE.
When aren't they? The US Military is hardly ever issued the correct PPE for any situation until after there has been a significant amount of causalities first.

There are much better uses of the US Military than this.
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The US Military does have an extensive branch that is dedicated to medical care. In addition, the general care of infected/sick does not require a specialist just a basic medically trained individual. Also consider that it is not just the medical staff, but their support as well; the US Military is very good at dropping into the middle of nowhere and sustaining.


When aren't they? The US Military is hardly ever issued the correct PPE for any situation until after there has been a significant amount of causalities first.

There are much better uses of the US Military than this.

I know, I've been butchered by them (2/3 surgeries contraindicated as it turns out)
But it's my understanding that won't be even the majority of who goes.

We shall see.
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That said, sending in the National Guard for this (which are State Militias) is IMPROPER, and quite possibly illegal.
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This is my biggest issue with sending the guard, they should be for each state to call upon for domestic defense and emergencies.

I also don't agree with sending the US military for the reason they are stated to be going there, the military is a..... well military.... not a humanitarian relief organisation.

A hammer is a hammer, and to a hammer everything looks like a nail (and rightly so). Use a hammer as a flower and someone's going to end up with a bloody nose!
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I know, I've been butchered by them (2/3 surgeries contraindicated as it turns out)
I've been there too, but to be fair half of them were contracted doctors and not military doctors.

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But it's my understanding that won't be even the majority of who goes.

We shall see.
I doubt that, we are rarely in the minority when it is a visible incident somewhere.
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I've been there too, but to be fair half of them were contracted doctors and not military doctors.



I doubt that, we are rarely in the minority when it is a visible incident somewhere.
Mine were Navy officers.

As they say:

Doctors join the military in order to get their malpractice cases out of the way!
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That said, sending in the National Guard for this (which are State Militias) is IMPROPER, and quite possibly illegal.
The National Guard is not a State Militia. Those are called State Military Reserves. The National Guard is simply a reserve component of the Army that has it's units divided among The States.

Smoke weed in the Colorado or Washington NG and you get discharged, same as in Active Army.

There's a reason why my ACU's say "U.S. ARMY" on the left side while some others say "CALIFORNIA"

State Military Reserve can also act during domestic emergencies, hence their original purpose.

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This is my biggest issue with sending the guard, they should be for each state to call upon for domestic defense and emergencies.
State Military Reserves
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As a 68w combat medic in a medical company in the national guard I am fine with this. We are pretty much the only organization that can handle something like this. And to those that say it's not our problem, imagine the northern half of Africa after 1/3 of the population has been wiped out. The ensuing political environment would absolutely cause national security problems for us.
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