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Personally, I think the "minuteman" approach is applicable to both protecting one's own family and property, and to fulfilling patriotic obligations if the need should one day arise. Translation: equip yourself physically and mentally to meet whatever threat presents itself in a timely manner.
Agreed. It will be a certain, smaller number of healthy adults who decide to run off and support the "regulars"...although for a civil war, I think that number is going to pretty small.

No everyone will be a classical minuteman seen on TV. I still think many will be like those on the frontier, still working the farm (job), maybe just a little too old to go running off, maybe just too young to be accepted, maybe some sort of ailment that disqualifies them from serving with the "regulars", but all need to know how, be trained, and equipped with defending their home and community at a moment's notice.

Even more so today, I think the modern minuteman will be an essential component of the community...even if they're disdained and disregarded by the society as a whole in current form. If there was a major war and the draft kicked in, how many illegal aliens would heed the call? How may gang bangers and criminals would do their patriotic duty? How many snowflakes would melt into the background and "protest" by ignoring their duty? Those are the enemies the community minutemen/women would be fighting.

So, while there may be a fight overseas or a large-scale, ideological civil war at home, not everyone will be packing up and heading to the fight. Many will be hunkering down to keep the business open, food on the table, and protect their homes and neighborhoods from the dregs of society who always take advantage of a crisis vacuum.

Biggest challenge is organizing now, training now, and having the TTPs and SOPs documented for reference. Most of us don't have many on board for this and we are for the most part "solo". Much of the organization I fear will have to occur during/post-SHTF.

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Much of the organization I fear will have to occur during/post-SHTF.
...it's worth remembering that this is how we won WWI, and it almost applies to WWII as well.
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Agreed. It will be a certain, smaller number of healthy adults who decide to run off and support the "regulars"...although for a civil war, I think that number is going to pretty small.



No everyone will be a classical minuteman seen on TV. I still think many will be like those on the frontier, still working the farm (job), maybe just a little too old to go running off, maybe just too young to be accepted, maybe some sort of ailment that disqualifies them from serving with the "regulars", but all need to know how, be trained, and equipped with defending their home and community at a moment's notice.



Even more so today, I think the modern minuteman will be an essential component of the community...even if they're disdained and disregarded by the society as a whole in current form. If there was a major war and the draft kicked in, how many illegal aliens would heed the call? How may gang bangers and criminals would do their patriotic duty? How many snowflakes would melt into the background and "protest" by ignoring their duty? Those are the enemies the community minutemen/women would be fighting.



So, while there may be a fight overseas or a large-scale, ideological civil war at home, not everyone will be packing up and heading to the fight. Many will be hunkering down to keep the business open, food on the table, and protect their homes and neighborhoods from the dregs of society who always take advantage of a crisis vacuum.



Biggest challenge is organizing now, training now, and having the TTPs and SOPs documented for reference. Most of us don't have many on board for this and we are for the most part "solo". Much of the organization I fear will have to occur during/post-SHTF.



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Well said.

I was one of those scoundrel gangbangers you describe here once. Parents were both illegal and my father never made an honest dollar in his life. I would get laughed at by my peers when I said I'm joining the army. But I did. And it made me the man, and patriot I am today and always will be.

People can change, people can learn, people adapt.

And I'll be among the first to join the resistance should our constitution and ways of life come under more duress. I swore an oath and I'll take that commitment to the grave.

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If you consider that minutemen are most likely to mobilize for short term, immediate threats, then their gear needs to be minimal and fast. Likely threats are things like raiders, setting up roadblocks and checkpoints, responding to immediate disasters, and possibly counterattacking raiders. Ideally, each minuteman should be able to march 10-15 miles comfortably in their gear, or run at least a mile or two.

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Flashlight - best would be a weapon mounted light, and a small headlamp, spare batteries
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Me personally, I'd go for a battle belt with my glock 23, 5 spare mags, and my ESEE 4. I'd also go for a chest rig that held 8 mags for my AR, an IFAK, spare batteries, a few cliff bars, GPS, compass and some chemlights. I'd have my 3 liter camelback on too.

Clothes would be basic, multicam or outdoor trousers, underarmor or smart wool undershirt, long sleeve shirt, and a fleece or wool warmth layer. I addition, I'd have sunglasses a fleece cap or baseball cap, camelback impact gloves, or heavier winter gloves, depending on the season.

I'd also have my assault pack with 3 MREs, snacks, a sawyer mini filter with 1L bag, spare batteries, small weapons cleaning kit, instant coffee, spare socks, foot powder, tooth brush/toothpaste full rain gear, and possibly a woobie.

At home, I'd keep all this gear propped up and ready to go by the door. I'd also have a medium sized duffel with a few more MREs, 4 piece sleep system, change of clothes, spare socks and underwear, spare boots, flip flops, extra toiletries, Jetboil and a couple spare fuel cylinders, and any extra room would be for ammo, and batteries.
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Meh - there are lots of reasons not to serve in the military, even if you're a patriot. Military service, in itself, doesn't make us better than anyone else. But acting like it does kinda makes one a ****head.

21 years in this month, with 9 deployments. It's only one way among many to serve the country.
Well said sir. I've been in the guard for 9 years now. When we were sent to Kuwait on a "deployment", I did literally nothing that felt like serving anyone. However, when we took our helicopters out for search and rescue, disaster relief, or firefighting efforts, I felt very good about it. There are many civilian agencies that serve just as well as, if not better than the military in domestic missions.

I addition, I have a lot of respect for people who take a less secure, more altruistic direction and serve their communities in other ways. Teachers, non profit workers who help lift people out of poverty and abuse, social workers etc. I even have a lot of respect for ordinary citizens who choose to volunteer their time and energy for worthy causes. There are a million and one ways to serve, if you're a real patriot, you'll find a way.
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As another idea, someone would want to work on mobilizing a support group. Could be any wives/ gfs that aren't up to fighting, elderly, or younger people. Mobilizing for a quick threat is fine and dandy, but when something goes longer than 48 hours, things fall apart quickly without supply and relief.
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As another idea, someone would want to work on mobilizing a support group. Could be any wives/ gfs that aren't up to fighting, elderly, or younger people. Mobilizing for a quick threat is fine and dandy, but when something goes longer than 48 hours, things fall apart quickly without supply and relief.
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There was another forum I was on that brought this up. Most people are familiar with the 3 tier fighting system.

1. What is on you.
2. Your fighting load.
3. What is in your pack.

The 4th tier that was brought up was a sea bag or other such bag that would hold extra food, ammo or anything else that was needed. This would be kept either in vehicles or cached in a relatively near by spot as a quick resupply.
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And even after that, you'd still need support. If you have prolonged threats from raiders, etc, you'll need regular sentry rotations, support for families of minutemen who are away for a while, etc. Calls to mind the image of frontiersmen fighting off threats while the elderly, women and children cooked, relieved them on guard duty, took care of and evacuated wounded, etc.
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And even after that, you'd still need support. If you have prolonged threats from raiders, etc, you'll need regular sentry rotations, support for families of minutemen who are away for a while, etc. Calls to mind the image of frontiersmen fighting off threats while the elderly, women and children cooked, relieved them on guard duty, took care of and evacuated wounded, etc.
While true, that kind of goes past the minute man concept.
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While true, that kind of goes past the minute man concept.
Sure, but threats don't always just last a couple hours. If you're going through several days of looting/raiding, a couple week long disaster, etc, people may need to start thinking about rotation, resupply and relief for anyone fighting, whether it be by neighborhood, or small settlement. I know it's not quite in line with the topic of the thread, but it occurred to me.
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Minutemen don't exist for their own sake. They organize within a larger context, and exist to support the larger community they serve. So I don't think discussing how that interaction occurs is outside the scope of this thread.

We talked about it in some detail at one point back there.
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Glad to see this thread active again.
Honestly, I think a lot of people were expecting "Civil War II" to break out a while ago, and that this thread was some sort of virtual rally point, but opinions have shifted (both on the forum and in broader Internet/media talking points) toward the idea of isolated political violence, loosely connected protests/riots, or what some refer to as balkanization of the country. Just my take on it, I suppose.

Regardless, I think it would be great if this thread continues on in the same spirit in which it was originally started, even if a lot of the contributors have moved on. What tends to get lost in the mix of SHTF discussions is that readiness can't be something that diminishes just because an anticipated event doesn't come to pass. Threats to our families and freedoms aren't always the type that start out with bullets flying and angry mobs marching in the streets, or that meet our own personal conditions for grabbing our gun and gear. Those scenarios could just be the eventual result of some tipping point, and that point can differ from one person to the next. We may not all reach it at the same time.
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opinions have shifted (both on the forum and in broader Internet/media talking points) toward the idea of isolated political violence, loosely connected protests/riots, or what some refer to as balkanization of the country.
The modern militia "movement" comes in waves, or what academics call "protest cycles." One cycle was during the 60s/70s, with Posse Commitatus and the like. Then it died down through the 80s and came back again in the 90s with the Michigan Militia and Militia of Montana, Ruby Ridge and Waco...but most of the movement went underground after McVeigh in '95.

Another resurgence came around the time of Y2K, but died down after 9/11...and picked back up again starting around 2006 because of NSA spying, the Patriot Act, etc. Most current (liberal) narratives say it started when Obama was elected. There was likely an increased growth at that time, but I believe the increase actually started under W. because of the privacy and encroachment concerns.

But there's really no way to measure the movement's size because there's no census, and the numbers are too small to show up reliably in a random sample of Americans...and because militia members aren't likely to be honest when a stranger calls the house and asks in a survey.
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What tends to get lost in the mix of SHTF discussions is that readiness can't be something that diminishes just because an anticipated event doesn't come to pass. Threats to our families and freedoms aren't always the type that start out with bullets flying and angry mobs marching in the streets, or that meet our own personal conditions for grabbing our gun and gear. Those scenarios could just be the eventual result of some tipping point, and that point can differ from one person to the next. We may not all reach it at the same time.
Well said. I've always seen it as simply being "ready" for anything; also as a heritage. While many think of a broader event or full scale war, it's quite relevant to apply this to much smaller possibilities such as the growing polarization and ideological violence. If the rule of law isn't enforced, it will continue to spread to other cities, smaller towns, and eventually in neighborhoods.

Minutemen were simply prepared to act when needed, which is why many of us continue to prepare and train. I hope something worse doesn't happen, but hoping isn't a plan of action, it's what you do while you prepare and train until action is needed.

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If you have a group and a BOL, you should already have the basic equipment for MM duties, if not more. Security needs to be a fairly large part of your plan, if you are prepping for true SHTF.

Our group has various sets of equipment for various roles we may be filling, whether that be static security, security patrols, radio, long range, etc. What I wear doing one may not be what I will wear doing another. However, most loadouts could be pressed into service for MM duties.
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In my very humble opinion, a Minuteman should have the bare essentials. My MM kit consists of a plate carrier with mags and IFAK all attached, a helmet, boots, sturdy weather appropriate clothes, an AR, a pistol, night vision, and binos. That's it and I may not use all that. My reasoning is if the balloon goes up, I need to "be there" right now-right now and I will not be staying any longer than absolutely necessary. There also may be a reason to not look like a kitted up tactical dude depending on the situation and sometimes, just showing up with your buds and cameras can achieve exactly what's needed without the cnn factor.
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