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Policy here is that all officers will have one in their patrol car. They are an important tool and play an integral role in performing your duties in certain scenarios. Better to have it and not need it rather than need it and not have it.
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Well... I believe that I am in the minority here but.... I have seen exactly 3 people shot with a 12 ga in the last 2 years.. none of them took another step and all but one died... I used a 12 ga loaded with slugs against a soft armor and plate carrier wearing suspect armed with a rifle and handgun.. I'm a big proponent of the 12 ga.. I have yet to see one fail to produce a one shot stop. I cannot say that for rifles or pistols.

I've responded to more than 400 shootings, involved in 1, as a police officer and numerous gunfights overseas.

The shotgun always has a place in my car. That said, so does a rifle... a mechanic doesn't just limit himself to one wrench or a blacksmith to one hammer. A professional should have a variety of tools at his disposal and be competent in their usage.
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Another win for the LEO shotgun.

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I believe you will find that in day to day encounters you will have as a Police Officer, the shotgun with 00 Buck will be the weapon of choice. Contact will most likely be at close range.
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Two long guns in a solo police patrol car is one too many. Rule #1: stick with the KISS principle.
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Two long guns in a solo police patrol car is one too many. Rule #1: stick with the KISS principle.
In mine it was shotgun in the rack beside me, rifle in the case in the trunk. In the patrol truck they were both in the rack in the cab passenger side, shotgun closest.
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I believe you will find that in day to day encounters you will have as a Police Officer, the shotgun with 00 Buck will be the weapon of choice. Contact will most likely be at close range.
The pump shotgun is so large, long, heavy, slow to fire, and generally unwieldy that honestly it's the last gun I'd want to be using inside a building. I'd feel better with the pistol or a short carbine. A semi-auto SBS would work and do the job very well, but not the classic pump shotgun.
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Slow to fire? You lack training with it then. I can fire the 6 rounds carried in my M590A1 with-in a second of the same drill with a semi-auto shotgun or rifle.

The other beauty of the shotgun is that if you hit what you shoot at, you will likely only need to shoot one round at each subject.

I cleared tons of houses as a cop over the years with a shotgun and never had an issue. Get a quality sling that is one handed adjustable and you can easily transition to a sidearm for constricted spaces.

The shotgun is very underrated these days.
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Slow to fire? You lack training with it then. I can fire the 6 rounds carried in my M590A1 with-in a second of the same drill with a semi-auto shotgun or rifle.

The other beauty of the shotgun is that if you hit what you shoot at, you will likely only need to shoot one round at each subject.

I cleared tons of houses as a cop over the years with a shotgun and never had an issue. Get a quality sling that is one handed adjustable and you can easily transition to a sidearm for constricted spaces.

The shotgun is very underrated these days.
That's less than 0.20 splits...if you're honestly and accurately doing that, I'd like to see a video. I love seeing someone run a pump like a beast.
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I think you are mis-understanding what I was saying. I'm not nearly that impressive. So I can pretty easily fire 6 rounds in a second with a rifle. Pretty close to the same with a semi-auto shotgun. 6 rounds with a pump around 2 seconds which if my hangover brain is correct would be about .33 seconds per round.
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I think you are mis-understanding what I was saying. I'm not nearly that impressive. So I can pretty easily fire 6 rounds in a second with a rifle. Pretty close to the same with a semi-auto shotgun. 6 rounds with a pump around 2 seconds which if my hangover brain is correct would be about .33 seconds per round.
That is still moving. .2s would have been phenomenal though! Tom Knapp material.
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That is still moving. .2s would have been phenomenal though! Tom Knapp material.
When you start dealing in tenths of a second, a little goes a long ways....
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