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View Poll Results: Are slide mounted optics a fad?
Yes, I can do everything I need to do with standard 3 dot sights. 3 33.33%
No, they are better overall than standard sights. 6 66.67%
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Old 10-13-2016, 01:41 PM
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I just purchased a Glock 19 MOS, and originally I was gung-ho about adding an RMR, but now I'm hesitant.

For those who use slide mounted optics, is your acquisition time that much quicker than with standard sights? Is it worth the $200-$300 to get an RMR?
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They're here to stay. It's basically the same thinks folks asked when red dots first hit the market. What did they have to offer that iron sights didn't?

Now you'll be hard pressed to find a rifle without some type of optic other then iron sights on it. I predict pistols will see the same transformation and in the next decade you'll be hard pressed to find serous use pistols without an RMR.
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They're here to stay. It's basically the same thinks folks asked when red dots first hit the market. What did they have to offer that iron sights didn't?

Now you'll be hard pressed to find a rifle without some type of optic other then iron sights on it. I predict pistols will see the same transformation and in the next decade you'll be hard pressed to find serous use pistols without an RMR.
It seems like it's going that way with the S&W Pro Core models, and Glock MOS models.
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Your poll assumes it has to be one, or the other.

As with all things guns related, it depends on the use.

Red dots have a place, as do scopes, as do irons, on handguns for specific purposes.

So no, red dots are not better overall, except at certain things. Yes, irons can do everything, but red dots are faster/better for some things, and no, red dots are not a fad, and no, irons are not going to be gone any time soon.
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Until they figure out a way for the dot to not get refracted when there is water on the lense you will probably not see them on duty weapons.

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I've been experimenting with an RMR'd Glock 19 as my off-duty carry for about 5 months. I currently have an EAG Tactical, a Pat McNamara, and Rogers Shooting School class on it, with approximately 5k rounds. I have run it in rain, heat, humidity and dust.

There is a learning curve on them. It took me dryfiring everyday for 15 minutes, including 50 draws each day for two weeks, to feel comfortable picking up the dot reliably. After about 1000 live rounds, I was comfortable tracking the dot. At about 2500 rds, I felt the gap between irons and dot was minimal. The Rogers Shooting School completely closed that gap, even when shooting 1-handed.

Pros:

1. Feels like cheating in low-light, especially under nvg's
2. Shooting at distance is definitely enhanced. Hits on IPSC steels at 100, 150, and 200 yds are not a problem, as long as you know your holds. I have made hits with my Glock 17 at 217 yds on an IPSC steel, using irons, so it isn't making impossible shots possible, but they are easier.
3. Shooting while moving and shooting at movers is much easier.
4. Shooting from non-standard positions is easier.
5. The dot moves. A lot. Once you can overcome this, and have it remain steady through your trigger press, it transfers over to iron sight shooting.

Cons:

1. Battery life. I run the battery on a pretty high setting, to compensate for all light levels I may find myself in. Batteries start flickering at 3 months for me.
2. You may need to shoegoo the battery to the cover plate of the rmr to keep proper contact.
3. On slide-mounted rmr's, expect to send the rmr back to trijicon after 5-6000 rounds, as it is not desogned to withstand the shock inherent to that mounting-solution.
4. Holsters are not as plentiful to fit rmr'd guns, especially duty holsters.

Like I saod, I have shot in pouring rain, and high humidity. I've never had any refraction from the dot. I also run Cat Crap on both sides of the lens, so that may be the reason.

I'm sold on the concept, but hope trijicon can harden the internals up to handle the recoil of slide mounting.
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I've been experimenting with an RMR'd Glock 19 as my off-duty carry for about 5 months. I currently have an EAG Tactical, a Pat McNamara, and Rogers Shooting School class on it, with approximately 5k rounds. I have run it in rain, heat, humidity and dust.

There is a learning curve on them. It took me dryfiring everyday for 15 minutes, including 50 draws each day for two weeks, to feel comfortable picking up the dot reliably. After about 1000 live rounds, I was comfortable tracking the dot. At about 2500 rds, I felt the gap between irons and dot was minimal. The Rogers Shooting School completely closed that gap, even when shooting 1-handed.

Pros:

1. Feels like cheating in low-light, especially under nvg's
2. Shooting at distance is definitely enhanced. Hits on IPSC steels at 100, 150, and 200 yds are not a problem, as long as you know your holds. I have made hits with my Glock 17 at 217 yds on an IPSC steel, using irons, so it isn't making impossible shots possible, but they are easier.
3. Shooting while moving and shooting at movers is much easier.
4. Shooting from non-standard positions is easier.
5. The dot moves. A lot. Once you can overcome this, and have it remain steady through your trigger press, it transfers over to iron sight shooting.

Cons:

1. Battery life. I run the battery on a pretty high setting, to compensate for all light levels I may find myself in. Batteries start flickering at 3 months for me.
2. You may need to shoegoo the battery to the cover plate of the rmr to keep proper contact.
3. On slide-mounted rmr's, expect to send the rmr back to trijicon after 5-6000 rounds, as it is not desogned to withstand the shock inherent to that mounting-solution.
4. Holsters are not as plentiful to fit rmr'd guns, especially duty holsters.

Like I saod, I have shot in pouring rain, and high humidity. I've never had any refraction from the dot. I also run Cat Crap on both sides of the lens, so that may be the reason.

I'm sold on the concept, but hope trijicon can harden the internals up to handle the recoil of slide mounting.
The issue with refraction is when water pools on the lens when the gun is in the holster. Not an issue for CC but definitely an issue for duty weapons carried in standard duty holsters exposed to the elements.

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Understood. My RMR'd Glock rides in a Safariland 6354DO at all training, as it mimics my duty holster. It's open just like my duty holster (which is identical, other than being optics-friendly, since it is also a Safariland ALS holster). Like I said, sample of one, but I have never had the issue.
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I have always wondered how they function in rain, fog or snow, or going in or out of buildings with large temp fluctuations?

It seemed like a lot of the people who were praising them a few yrs ago did so while in stable environments..ie. on a nice sunny dry range, which is very different than the blowing snow and negative temps of a Maine winter (or other similar locations).

I'd even think that some CCW instances, like removing the pistol from against your warm body and thrusting it out into freezing air temps may present some issues?

...I still want one, at least to try.
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I keep Cat Crap anti-fog on both sides of the lens, and keep my car COLD. Even stepping out of the cold, into hot/humid, I've never gotten fog.

Use of the anti-fog may also be why I have gotten no refraction in the rain. Just last night, I filled the rear of the lens with water, let it run out, and checked. Still no issues. I'll try without the Cat Crap and report back.
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