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It's on HBO. My only question is, is there ANYTHING that isn't slanted, or ridiculously over dramatized?

But I don't really care, either way.
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I watched the first episode, it kept my attention. I'll keep watching.
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It's on HBO. My only question is, is there ANYTHING that isn't slanted, or ridiculously over dramatized?

But I don't really care, either way.
Um, it's HBO... of course, it's going to be slanted and ridiculously over-dramatized.

I'm a rad-nerd, so I could sit and watch Chernobyl, Fukushima, Three Mile Island, China Syndrome movies and documentaries all day long... so far it's fine from that standpoint. But at the same time... oh, my, god... the technical inaccuracies and (like you said) the WAY over-the-top dramatization is killing me.
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Chernobyl...
That brings back the memories. Being all alone on a C-141 for a few hours as the plane's air crew was removed as the preflight check produced a red light not sealed door and the graveyard shift flight line mechanic didn't get it fixed in time before their flight hour limit would have been exceeded. When the third shift flight line mechanic's shift ended, he left and now I'm in the plane all alone. When the new mechanic showed up he asked a few questions and then called the tower to get me a ride back to the terminal. One of the questions he asked me was if I had flight line clearance. When I replied, "No." He told me I was lucky that security hadn't found me. If they had I would have most likely been ordered to prostrate myself on the tarmac while having a pair of firearms pointing at me even though I was in my Class A uniform.

A few hours later, I get paged by the tower and asked if I was going to allow Space-A travel on "my plane". At the time I was a A1C, in otherwords an E3. In the conversation that followed I suggested they reach out to a higher authority and provided the area commander's rank and name.

Now several hours have elasped, I'm flying to Alaska when the Flight Chief waves me to follow him and climb the ladder into the back of the cock pit where he points over the shoulder of the radar officer at the screen and tells me we have picked up a Soviet fighter escort that will shoot us down if we stray into their airspace.

Mind you this is just a few years after the USSR shot down Korean Flight 007..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean...nes_Flight_007

Needless to say we landed and while the plane was refueled, additional cargo was loaded, the crew and I got a ride to the chow hall. The flight south to California and seeing Mt. St. Helens from 35K feet was impressive.

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Not sure how any of that relates to this topic, but cool story anyway.
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Not sure how any of that relates to this topic, but cool story anyway.
ditto, this, what he said.
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My question is....is the show any good or just anti-nuke fear mongering?
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My question is....is the show any good or just anti-nuke fear mongering?
That depends on how you approach it. If you're looking for a scary disaster show... it fits that bill. If you're looking for a well-executed docu-drama with attention to detail... it ain't that. Whether anti-nuke is intended or not, it will serve the anti-nuke agenda because of how they're portraying certain aspects. The first episode ends with the residents of Pripyat, children, and babies out playing in this strange snow that's falling from the sky. Fallout... is... not... like... snow... But Hollywood has been pushing the Fallout=Snow for so long no one would probably understand anything else. They also show a black cloud and the beginnings of the scorching of the pines in a path that leads right to Pripyat.

All of that is dramatization. Didn't happen. The bulk of the fallout from Chernobyl didn't travel northwest toward Pripyat, it went west, creating the "Red Forest" by killing the pines in that area over an extended period of time. It takes a CONSIDERABLE dose of radiation to kill a pine tree... far more than to kill a human. https://setac.onlinelibrary.wiley.co....1002/ieam.238 suggests 60Gy, which is 6000 rad... that's enough for an LD100 6-times over. Much of that was probably direct-contact beta dose to the pine needles... but still, if people had been out playing in that plume, there would have been dozens of civilians hospitalized in the first day and hundreds, if not thousands of immediate casualties. Had the event progressed the way HBO is implying, much of Pripyat's population would have died in their sleep. 6000 rad over a few hours is enough to cause rapidly fatal neurological and cardiovascular radiation syndromes which cause death within 72 hours.

Technical aspects aside, I was a little disappointed with some of the scenes and shots. For example, there's one scene where workers are sent to the core hall to manually lower the control rods, they look down into the exposed reactor core. I thought the BBC did a better job with it in their docudrama. Maybe HBO has been working on Game of Thrones too long. Their special effects people seem to think everything "hot" should look like dragon fire.
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I watched it, I liked it. Going to continue watching. Not everything can be a precisely detailed, painfully accurate documentary. And not everything can be a wildly inaccurate parody. There has to be a middle ground, with concessions given on each end, to be entertaining.
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Thats too bad. But not surprising. We've never had a real life nuclear disaster worthy of a big movie but hollywood keeps trying to tap that spring. It would have been interesting to see an actual well made modern documentary on the event though.
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I'm watching it and I got to say I'm enjoying it too. I know its a Hollywood overly dramatic production of the actual events but I think its good. its entertaining and a welcome break from the craptacular reality shows that dominate now.
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My question is....is the show any good or just anti-nuke fear mongering?
The show is great and well, if you think nuke plants are inherently safe, better read up on Chernobyl, the chain of errors, reactions and idiocy that led up to the explosion will make your hair stand up. Not saying that burning coal is safer, but these plants can fail anywhere, anytime. We all breathe the same air on this planet so keep that in mind.
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That depends on how you approach it. If you're looking for a scary disaster show... it fits that bill. If you're looking for a well-executed docu-drama with attention to detail... it ain't that. Whether anti-nuke is intended or not, it will serve the anti-nuke agenda because of how they're portraying certain aspects. The first episode ends with the residents of Pripyat, children, and babies out playing in this strange snow that's falling from the sky. Fallout... is... not... like... snow... But Hollywood has been pushing the Fallout=Snow for so long no one would probably understand anything else. They also show a black cloud and the beginnings of the scorching of the pines in a path that leads right to Pripyat.

All of that is dramatization. Didn't happen. The bulk of the fallout from Chernobyl didn't travel northwest toward Pripyat, it went west, creating the "Red Forest" by killing the pines in that area over an extended period of time. It takes a CONSIDERABLE dose of radiation to kill a pine tree... far more than to kill a human. https://setac.onlinelibrary.wiley.co....1002/ieam.238 suggests 60Gy, which is 6000 rad... that's enough for an LD100 6-times over. Much of that was probably direct-contact beta dose to the pine needles... but still, if people had been out playing in that plume, there would have been dozens of civilians hospitalized in the first day and hundreds, if not thousands of immediate casualties. Had the event progressed the way HBO is implying, much of Pripyat's population would have died in their sleep. 6000 rad over a few hours is enough to cause rapidly fatal neurological and cardiovascular radiation syndromes which cause death within 72 hours.

Technical aspects aside, I was a little disappointed with some of the scenes and shots. For example, there's one scene where workers are sent to the core hall to manually lower the control rods, they look down into the exposed reactor core. I thought the BBC did a better job with it in their docudrama. Maybe HBO has been working on Game of Thrones too long. Their special effects people seem to think everything "hot" should look like dragon fire.

The actual fire from the core was described by one of the witnesses as being laser like ionization pointing off into infinity.
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Um, it's HBO... of course, it's going to be slanted and ridiculously over-dramatized.

I'm a rad-nerd, so I could sit and watch Chernobyl, Fukushima, Three Mile Island, China Syndrome movies and documentaries all day long... so far it's fine from that standpoint. But at the same time... oh, my, god... the technical inaccuracies and (like you said) the WAY over-the-top dramatization is killing me.
I guess you would have to have been there, but if you were, you would likely be dead by now!
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The actual fire from the core was described by one of the witnesses as being laser like ionization pointing off into infinity.


Yeah I read that... it wasn’t the fire from the core producing that... it was a glow given off by air being ionized by the the exposed core materials.
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