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Old 05-22-2019, 09:56 AM
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Despite all the statistics and concerns about obese people, I think our society is getting tougher in some ways.

For instance, there's the popularity of martial arts.

People definitely know how to be fitter than ever before, and it's really visible in the media a lot.

I just think that the trends that weigh against it--- the nihilism, hedonism, and apathy--- balance it out.

Antifa people--- for instance--- aren't typical people. Let's say things get really rough in America for a while, though, and they temporarily get some more physical people by their side at events. Those people aren't likely preppers. Not at all. Just gym-rats or UFC fans. So they've got a bit more ability to fight you on Tuesday, but if they win some battles then, they don't necessarily have the ability to keep feeding themselves on Wednesday.

They may defeat you, but they don't have what it takes to be in the fight and defeat someone else like you later on.

Being inspired by the UFC, gangster rap, and Gatorade commercials isn't the exact same thing as getting ready for shtf or a civil war.
I think I'd agree in some ways like those you mention, people are getting 'tougher' in a sense. I think though that in ways that would matter for survival if SHTF and things like electricity and technology were less accessible or not present at all, or even an economic issue where everyone had to scramble for food, etc., that people have gotten softer.

The daily life of someone 150-200 years ago would pretty much wreck the average person today. So much of life was a struggle against the environment before we got such things as our current technology, electricity and communication abilities.

That's part of why I think things are devolving so badly today. We don't have enough to worry about in daily life and people are being driven mad to the point where they live for 'outrage' online when someone uses a wrong pronoun, or rail endlessly about various other concerns.
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This is really funny.

You see, the thing about living in Hawaii is you know comments like that are just plain old trolling.

Rather than think up a sensible discussion you troll ... I get it.

Possible antifa infiltrator? - Yeah, man - pass the meth. Don;t bogart it, dude!
Russian plant? Da, comarade. Nazdravi!
Obama administration spy? Well slap my 'fro - ya gots me bruttha!

Hawaii is a getto s-hole - The joke is on you as soon as you pressed 'enter' on that one.
It's Porto Rico with statehood. None of us want to live there and most of us don't want to visit.
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It's a beautiful state, but a socialist hole that relies on taxes to feed its people. If it weren't for tourism, Hawaii would look like a 3rd world nation full of people looking for handouts.

They rely on the outsiders for just about everything. But are horribly unwelcoming to anyone new to the islands looking to live there...

What little they do produce, like pineapples, islanders need to send state side to can. They need outsiders to aid in distribution. Can't build a descent road, that's why they are all interstates to get the federal money and , but I haven't seen a bridge for that yet...

My experience was most lacked a good work ethic and workmanship standards, however that could be my take on what I perceived to be too laid back, and lacked any real sense of urgency.
There's actually nothing in your post I disagree with.

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It's Porto Rico with statehood. None of us want to live there and most of us don't want to visit.
And thank God for that.

My decision to settle in Hawaii was 90% strategic for both a long term gradual decline in society or a SHTF scenario.

The biggest danger I see in many possible scenarios will not happen in my location because the millions of potentially displaced people are separated from me by a long Ocean Voyage.

Where most white people go wrong in Hawaii is when they try to compete with the "cane whackers" for their slave jobs. If you are Haole (which I am) you have to have some kind of skill set that they cannot compete with. You have to accept that Hawaii is a "Pyramid" society, and take your place close to the top (never at the top, but always close) -do not try to compete for brainless manual labor union jobs or "management" jobs that any moron can fill. Their minds get easily confused and overwhelmed and are very appreciative if you handle certain things for them. Just look at History - the Hawaiian Royalty was Hawaiian but they needed Haoles to advise them.

And another aspect of being Haole and living a good life in Hawaii is to share sometimes of your SURPLUS. For example, it's stupid to let fruit just rot on the ground and not let anyone have it. Either pick it and preserve it or give it away. Give away food and old stuff to your neighbors in exchange for some minor task. Establish a relationship with your neighbors as a "benevolent adviser". But also ask them to work FOR you in some small capacity every time you give. Establish that relationship (superior - subordinate). If there is a SHTF scenario I WANT them to come to my door hat in hand (there aren't that many neighbors in a rural environment). I'll put them to good productive use.
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Oh - and there is never going to be any kind of violent "civil war" or "revolution" in Hawaii unless the US government completely collapses. Not even then. Worst case scenario will be some kind of Banana Republic Monarchy and all those $5 - $10 million corporate beach houses or certain commercial lands will be somehow redistributed. Honolulu might go hungry a bit without imports but the rest of the Islands can grow more than enough food locally in a very short time for their populations. Fun Guerrilla warfare fact - Most of the Hawaiian Islands are divided by steep mountain ranges and one or two landslides are all it takes to close off half an Island to anything except very shallow draft boats.
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"I do recognize, though that surely the discussions on this forum is being archived on some kind of NSA computer. "

"I expect the NSA has this whole forum archived and cross referenced, complete with everyone's IP address. Probably all the "private" messages as well. "


I couldn't give a rats backside what the NSA or any other government agency is doing or has done concerning my public comments. I recognize our government has been spying on every US citizen for decades if not centuries. It just that now, in this day and age because of technology, our government has the ability to spy on everyone / all the time / in so many ways ... it would make your head spin.

'Hello Tom , Bill and Martha at the NSA and Frank, Elliott and Mary at the CIA .. hope you are enjoying yourself monitoring my comments on this website and others. Oh ! Make sure you read my last email I sent from my Yahoo account yesterday about the Liberal treasonous felons in Congress attempting to turn our country into something our Founding Fathers never wanted or intended and the majority of the US Citizens sure as hell don't want.'

'Also, for what it is worth, I really do appreciate the job you are doing ... even though what you are doing is illegal and you'll probably be shot for it sometime in the future when the US Patriots have finally had enough.'


"Or do they just not ever say anything incriminating in public?"

You can't get much more public than this forum. However, if you mean do I talk to my family, my neighbors and perfect strangers when the topics of government illegal activities and treason are brought up ? Yes I do. And I don't waffle in my position or my thoughts. Here's an example : Hillary and Bill should have been convicted decades ago for all of their crimes and they should have been executed for treason and murder. So many innocent people prepared to testify against them but they were found having committed suicide. Shot themselves several times in the head. Hmmm.

Or Comey who is a complete disgrace to the US Law Enforcement Community. He sold his soul to the devil and her husband (Clinton's in case you didn't catch the reference). And then, at the last moment in an attempt to save himself, he told Congress he was re-opening the investigation (just before the 2016 election) knowing it would destroy her chances at becoming President.

Oh .. and how about Atty General Lynch having the private conversation with Bill Clinton on the airport tarmac ? "Just a brief chat between friends about golf." Bull **** ! Those two were conspiring against Trump and planning something illegal. Lynch - another individual who should have already been convicted and executed for Treason.

And one more for good measure ... The Dossier. Uh huh .... that mysterious document that everyone was referring to in an attempt to pull off what appeared to be legal prosecution of an alleged criminal (Trump) .. when in fact it was an attempted coup by the highest members of our government involving numerous agencies. Everyone involved should have already been convicted and executed for treason.

So, just to make it perfectly clear, to any government employee who is monitoring my posts, phone calls, emails, text messages, etc. If you are not a Patriot ... if you do not support the US Constitution 110% without hesitation or question ... then you are an enemy of the average US citizen and the Constitution and at some point will be held accountable.

There now ... I just exercised my 1st Amendment Rights. Are there any government agencies or employees who want to question my right ? Oh, and if you plan on making a personal visit, make certain you have a bonafide warrant.

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I think most on this thread underestimate the power of desperation when folks are pushed to their limits.

The problem with being a martyr to lead any kind of standoff/rebellion is that they usually die in the cause...of course one person's martyr is another person's terrorist...and that is exactly how it will be portrayed on the 10 O'Clock News.
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I think most on this thread underestimate the power of desperation when folks are pushed to their limits.

The problem with being a martyr to lead any kind of standoff/rebellion is that they usually die in the cause...of course one person's martyr is another person's terrorist...and that is exactly how it will be portrayed on the 10 O'Clock News.
Good point. In ages past martyrs and heroes had tales told about them through the media of the time - songs and stories told around the community hall of various types at a celebration, or around the family hearth prior to bedtime. It took a long time, but was a sure way for information to be spread without censorship. Sure it was embellished here and there but essentially the core of the stories remained.

Now information is instantaneous and anything significant is pushed out by the next news cycle. Both the liberal and conservative media push out their message or spin anything that does not fit their current message of the week. Both conservatives and liberals tune into their daily message to find out what they should think, when they should think it and how they should think.

Yes - I'm jaded. The only way we will get a leftist rebellion is if the Mother Jones news and MSNBC Rachel Madow spin in that direction. But they won't. The only way we will see a Conservative military action is if Rush, Hannity, and Fox actually spell it out. But they won't because they want advertising revenues above all else, not any real change of any sort.
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Good point. In ages past martyrs and heroes had tales told about them through the media of the time - songs and stories told around the community hall of various types at a celebration, or around the family hearth prior to bedtime. It took a long time, but was a sure way for information to be spread without censorship. Sure it was embellished here and there but essentially the core of the stories remained.

Now information is instantaneous and anything significant is pushed out by the next news cycle. Both the liberal and conservative media push out their message or spin anything that does not fit their current message of the week. Both conservatives and liberals tune into their daily message to find out what they should think, when they should think it and how they should think.

Yes - I'm jaded. The only way we will get a leftist rebellion is if the Mother Jones news and MSNBC Rachel Madow spin in that direction. But they won't. The only way we will see a Conservative military action is if Rush, Hannity, and Fox actually spell it out. But they won't because they want advertising revenues above all else, not any real change of any sort.

I`M sure NSA is collecting ALL this Data...Beware!. Buck Them!.
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"I`M sure NSA is collecting ALL this Data...Beware!. Buck Them!."


Well congratulations Vlad .... you too are now on their list. Welcome to the group.
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"I`M sure NSA is collecting ALL this Data...Beware!. Buck Them!."


Well congratulations Vlad .... you too are now on their list. Welcome to the group.
We don't care. I hope they waste their time with me.

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