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Rush Limbaugh often says the world is ruled by the effective use of force. In Star Trek, TOS, S1E23, A Taste of Armageddon has a scene were Kirk tell Scotty, "General Order 24 in 2-hours." General Order 24 means orbital bombardment of all major cities, ports, etc.

When I saw this scene and realized our fearless captain was initiating planetary destruction, I recalled the effective use of force mantra. And I wondered how today's feminized society would react to the good guys "talking quietly but carrying a big stick?" My guess is, not too well.

In the end, Kirk stopped a centuries long conflict were the 2 societies had sterilized the destruction of countless millions. People would be told by a computer program that they were THEORETICALLY hit by a bomb and have 24 hours to report to a disintegration chamber. And they did!

Kirk's use of General Order 24 forced them to deal with real, ugly, dirty war OR sue for peace. After centuries, Kirk's rule lead to these 2 planets finally achieving peace. My guess, is a similar episode made today would end by everyone sitting around talking about their feelings. What do you think about such general orders of the good guys as 24 and the world being ruled by the effective use of force?
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Under our constitution, we guarantee the opportunity for those to speak of their feelings.

Nowhere does it say that the rest of us must listen nor care about what they say.

More of need to speak out and call stupid stupid. Honesty is honesty, not hate speech . . . even when some hate the truth.
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At it's time, the original series was also a very progressive futuristic dream of the future.

The people you propose would object to such story lines are part of the same groups that wrote such story lines.

Just like the warming effect of global cooling, they can not agree with themselves. That should discount many of their views.
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It was a bluff in an attempt to save crew and ship. A typical Kirk maneuver to raise the stakes until the other side folds.

The point of the episode is was if war becomes too easy and sanitized for the citizens of a country they will have no reason to want peace. A commentary on the Cold War where our country is happily pouring billions into a war with people they have never met to meet out destruction they have never seen.
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This is another episode that tried to address social issues with a flanking move.

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.... But the world IS ruled by group of people with a big stick.

I believe the world is kept in check by the sheer might of the United States military. The dollar rules all, and the second it's threatened countries have a nasty habit of getting bombed and invaded.

Saddam in Iraq and Gadhafi in Libya both challenged the dollars status quo. Both died trying to free their counties from the might of the dollar. Murdering dictators sure, but they were fighting The Man.

I'm a proud American, believe in American exceptionalism, and enjoy all the freedoms anyone here enjoys. Our great standard of living is owed directly to being the big kid on the block, even if we have to dish out a few black eyes.

I haven't watched the original series. But I've see. all of next gen, most of DS9, and on the third season of voyager. Good show that sometimes provokes thoughts.
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Walk softly and carry a big stick. Lots of dial-a-yield smart bombs ought to do the trick nicely. There is an extreme shortage of glass parking lots IMHO.
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It was a bluff in an attempt to save crew and ship.
No, it was NOT a bluff. Just as the MAD - mutual assured destruction - was not a bluff in both sides having nuclear war heads aimed at each other's major cities.
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No, it was NOT a bluff. Just as the MAD - mutual assured destruction - was not a bluff in both sides having nuclear war heads aimed at each other's major cities.
The kicker was that he destroyed their attack computers, so they could not go back to their artificial war.

He forced them to break their agreement, and gave them the choice of real war with cities demolished to rubble, or to talk peace.
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When war is too surgical and civilized, it just makes it all the more likely to happen.
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When war is too surgical and civilized, it just makes it all the more likely to happen.
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Then apparently war has been too surgical & civilized on this planet for thousands of years.

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No, it was NOT a bluff. Just as the MAD - mutual assured destruction - was not a bluff in both sides having nuclear war heads aimed at each other's major cities.
What about star trek makes you think the Federation would EVER begin orbital bombarment of any civilization?

It was a bluff. A tactic he was very found of.

Watch

"The Corbomite Maneuver maneuver"

"A piece of the action"

"The Deadly Years"

"Day of the Dove"

"Star trek the motion picture"


And I'm sure some others.

Remember Kirk "doesn't believe in the no win scenario" He likes to threaten MAD because nobody seems to have the same seat of swingers as he does, but its always a bluff.
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What about star trek makes you think the Federation would EVER begin orbital bombarment of any civilization?

It was a bluff. A tactic he was very found of.

Watch

"The Corbomite Maneuver maneuver"

"A piece of the action"

"The Deadly Years"

"Day of the Dove"

"Star trek the motion picture"


And I'm sure some others.

Remember Kirk "doesn't believe in the no win scenario" He likes to threaten MAD because nobody seems to have the same seat of swingers as he does, but its always a bluff.
The Federation wouldn't, but Kirk would. Yes, he also bluffed a lot, but in this case, he gave the order. If they held him captive, that order would have been carried out. Scotty would have flattened that planet.
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Yes, of course that would be totally in character with his long history genocide.

Oh...wait....wrong kirk

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