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Old 11-02-2019, 07:45 AM
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We know the data has been cherry-picked, manipulated, and fraudulently presented by the so-called man-made climate change scientists. These videos put it into perspective.

If you wonder why, just follow the money. Prior to Bill Clinton's launch of government-funded climate research fiasco, very little money, other than what NASA was spending, was going into climate change research because there wasn't any compelling reason to spend the money. Today, tens of billions are being spent in grants every year that only go to scientists who support the man-made narrative. That alone tells us the claims of man-made global warming are fraudulent.

Why does so much fraudulent activity trace back to the Clintons?
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I don't need any statistics. If I hadn't seen a weather report or the news in 40 years I could still tell you the climate IS changing. Now you can debate if it's man made or not until the cows come home, but it IS changing.
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Nice video on the shenanigans with climate change statistics.
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The climate has been changing since the earth formed. It has been changing ever since man's memory began. It will continue to change long past mankind's existence. It changes regardless of what mankind does or does not do. Geologic action miles beneath the surface drive much of the change, and there is absolutely nothing mankind can do to alter that force.

But those are not the issues in this argument. People are being directed away from the unprecedented global looting with the squabble of how man is destroying the earth. It is a convenient red herring to draw people's attention away from the confiscation and redistribution of the world's wealth. And lets not kid ourselves that it does not trickle down to our level because it sure as hell does.

But people are too simple. They are easily distracted by scary stories, like the terrified little girl Greta.
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I don't need any statistics. If I hadn't seen a weather report or the news in 40 years I could still tell you the climate IS changing. Now you can debate if it's man made or not until the cows come home, but it IS changing.
Not according to the latest data from NOAA.
Their data shows variation, but no actual change since 2005.
https://www.realclearenergy.org/arti...ince_2005.html
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Whether you believe climate change is natural or caused by man I still don’t understand how people are ok with pollution. Why is it ok for corporations to dump sewage into water, cars exhaust into the air, and oil companies to dump chemicals into the ground? We still have to live here and even if it’s a natural climate change we want clean water and air. I know I’m going to die eventually because it’s a natural change but I don’t want to burn my house so no one else can live there. I want to leave it in as good as shape as possible.
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Whether you believe climate change is natural or caused by man I still donít understand how people are ok with pollution. Why is it ok for corporations to dump sewage into water, cars exhaust into the air, and oil companies to dump chemicals into the ground? We still have to live here and even if itís a natural climate change we want clean water and air. I know Iím going to die eventually because itís a natural change but I donít want to burn my house so no one else can live there. I want to leave it in as good as shape as possible.
Because the countries that have the most cars and develop the best technologies are cleaner than those that don't. The US, for example, produces a negligible percentage of the world's pollution, nowhere near commensurate with our percentage of the world's population. Ditto Europe.
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I don't need any statistics. If I hadn't seen a weather report or the news in 40 years I could still tell you the climate IS changing. Now you can debate if it's man made or not until the cows come home, but it IS changing.
It may be changing where you are. I honestly don't know your long term weather. What I do know is that the heavy snows of the 60s and 70s here along with the bitter -30F temps of the 70s and 80s were gone for at least 10 years in the late 90s and early 00s. Those days are past here. The 60s and 70s were famous for heavy snow also.

The last few years we are back into the -30s for a couple weeks at a time and we are getting above normal snowfall. Just a few inches but above normal. When normal is based on true long term numbers, well you never see normal right?

We are also wetter than normal after a couple decades of drier than normal. I see nothing to alarm me where I live. Sometimes you can plant your garden in mid May (big gamble) sometimes first week of June. Sometimes your last week of frost is late May sometimes you don't get a month off (not kidding on that it happened here 7 years ago) and have to deal with it. Just depends on how mild the year is.
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Climate change does happen. We have seen things like "the year without a summer in the 1800s. It was caused mainly by a volcano eruption. I personally have seen the flood of 55. Admittedly I was young but I can still remember walking down the hill and looking at the small river so filled with water it wasn't a small river anymore.

Then there was the Blizzard of 1888 and also one in 1978. I remember very hot summers and falls and little snow in the winter. Then again there were crappy winters and crappy summers. So the climate is cyclical and it changes. We don't have much effect on it. "Mother Nature" is fickle.
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I don't need any statistics. If I hadn't seen a weather report or the news in 40 years I could still tell you the climate IS changing. Now you can debate if it's man made or not until the cows come home, but it IS changing.
Mmhmm the exact way it has been changing for thousands of years
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I'm afraid that Global Warming people will succeed in reducing CO2. Don't plants and trees need that to survive?

What happens if CO2 is reduced too much?!
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Reduction on oxygen being produced if enough plants die.
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I've read that the antarctic had twice as much ice form this past summer (winter there) as has ever been recorded. Now they say it might mean another ice age.

They can't even make up their minds.

Russia said the UN climate people fudged their temperature readings about 1 degree over the period of time they checked worldwide temperatures. It was colder in Siberia than the UN said it was. (I read this several years ago)
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I don't need any statistics. If I hadn't seen a weather report or the news in 40 years I could still tell you the climate IS changing. Now you can debate if it's man made or not until the cows come home, but it IS changing.
It's always changing. You don't have any recent Dust Bowl problems in OK lately, right?

I would assume you would take that as a change for the good.

But you did make the most salient point. Natural and man-made are vastly different things.

Why should the global economy be torqued for natural climate shifts? The free market can always adapt eventually to natural changes.

But if you need a globalist agenda driven during a time of rising nationalism then you need a panic button to guilt everyone back into central planning mode.

Scaring the kids with boogeymen is just the lowest of the low.
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I don't need any statistics.
Proving again that facts do not matter to Liberals.

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If I hadn't seen a weather report or the news in 40 years I could still tell you the climate IS changing. Now you can debate if it's man made or not until the cows come home, but it IS changing.
The is changing also. Liable to be getting colder from here on out until next year.

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The climate has been changing since the earth formed. It has been changing ever since man's memory began. It will continue to change long past mankind's existence. It changes regardless of what mankind does or does not do.
An inconvenient fact where the hysteria around it shows the effectiveness of indoctrination.
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I'm afraid that Global Warming people will succeed in reducing CO2. Don't plants and trees need that to survive?

What happens if CO2 is reduced too much?!
Output, not total in atmosphere.
Ethics of planetary engineering etc.

It will take a few thousand years to sink back, atleast.
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Id wish it would swing wildly one way or the other and wipe out those not prepared
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I don't need any statistics. If I hadn't seen a weather report or the news in 40 years I could still tell you the climate IS changing. Now you can debate if it's man made or not until the cows come home, but it IS changing.
Yes and no. Like any dynamic situation, it is always changing. But that's not the contentious part. The contentious part is twofold:

1) Is the change harmful?

2) Is the change a result of human activity?

By and large, warming trends have been a massive boon to the carrying capacity of the entire world, reversing desertification and expanding productive biomass and arable land. But is the warming the alarmists claim even happening? Not unless you select timeframes that misrepresent the data, and that is the point of the video.

I can prove any trend you want, as long as you give me a long enough set of data from which to cherry pick, and find a way to remove both my sense of shame and my conscience.

My favourites are ones like, "More polar bears are dying every year than at any point in our lifetimes!" That, interestingly enough, is a 100% true, incontrovertible fact. And it's really good news for the bears. The reason so many more are dying is because there are so many more alive. A reasonable mortality rate applied to a larger population always means more deaths, simply because there are more of them alive to die.

It's why I never trust environuts with facts. They're like a chimp with a hand grenade, only less responsible.
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Reduction on oxygen being produced if enough plants die.
Unlikely. Algae produce the majority of liberated O2, and their populations are extremely adaptable. They have much more elastic upward and downward limits than terrestrial plants.
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