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I am getting confused. If you take away the rights of law abiding citizens to defend themselves, their family and property against others who would do them harm, the punishment is not for the criminal it is for the one's trying to do the right thing. The criminal does not care about the rules anyway. This is a foreign concept to me. I mean literally...Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Communist China, N Korea, Lybia, Syria, Iraq............. do I really need to go on because history is plagued with more examples?
When I was in the Marines, it was a fairly common practice to punish everyone for the mistakes made by an individual. The idea was to encourage unity by "policing the ranks". That made everyone responsible for other's actions and the problem was usually "rectified" because no one wanted EVERY other Marine in the unit against them. NCO's and Staff NCO's may have imposed a punishment, but did not take away the means to "police your own ranks". It is an accepted practice. Agreed, sometimes it can be harsh on the individual who chooses to go against the rules but IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!
I'm just sayin'!
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I am getting confused. If you take away the rights of law abiding citizens to defend themselves, their family and property against others who would do them harm, the punishment is not for the criminal it is for the one's trying to do the right thing. The criminal does not care about the rules anyway. This is a foreign concept to me. I mean literally...Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Communist China, N Korea, Lybia, Syria, Iraq............. do I really need to go on because history is plagued with more examples?
When I was in the Marines, it was a fairly common practice to punish everyone for the mistakes made by an individual. The idea was to encourage unity by "policing the ranks". That made everyone responsible for other's actions and the problem was usually "rectified" because no one wanted EVERY other Marine in the unit against them. NCO's and Staff NCO's may have imposed a punishment, but did not take away the means to "police your own ranks". It is an accepted practice. Agreed, sometimes it can be harsh on the individual who chooses to go against the rules but IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!
I'm just sayin'!
So what is the question? Or is it just a general statement?
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I agree. Unity is most important in achieving a goal. I think this subject is foreign to many because our country has not experienced a war and is generally, blissfully unaware of anything other than grazing. This is a dangerous mindset. It wasn't the marines, but I think about the grandfathers, fathers and sons who fought side by side by side and died during the wars for freedom in this country. It is human nature to think only in terms of ones lifetime and the experiences therein. History is the answer. Most importantly realizing there is one and to learn from it.
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So what is the question? Or is it just a general statement?
Sorry... just a rant.
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I understood it as the thread title says "My Opinion"
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I am getting confused. If you take away the rights of law abiding citizens to defend themselves, their family and property against others who would do them harm, the punishment is not for the criminal it is for the one's trying to do the right thing.
Here's the thing.
If you, in war, take a prisoner of war, you disarm them and you prevent them from escaping.
And since they are relatively helpless, you are responsible for safeguarding them until you get them to the rear echelon area.

But if a government disarms their people, aren't they responsible for any injuries that criminals inflict during robberies and such? The population of such places as California, NY, NJ and Illinois should be able to sue everytime that they are victimized by the criminal horde, when they should be able to be safe in their homes.
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Here's the thing.
If you, in war, take a prisoner of war, you disarm them and you prevent them from escaping.
And since they are relatively helpless, you are responsible for safeguarding them until you get them to the rear echelon area.

But if a government disarms their people, aren't they responsible for any injuries that criminals inflict during robberies and such? The population of such places as California, NY, NJ and Illinois should be able to sue everytime that they are victimized by the criminal horde, when they should be able to be safe in their homes.
Once were at war, or a policing action,(however you want to put it) then you can make that comparison.
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