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Biking and thoughts of biking bring out the childhood thinking in us all.
And apparently YOUR childhood consisted of getting bullied and beaten up -- as well as constantly falling off your bicycle before one of the bullies took it from you.

You jabber on and on about cyclists being "vulnerable" but you clearly know nothing at all about cycling other than your own bad experiences as the neighborhood patsy. Most importantly, you contribute NOTHING to this discussion other than your constant harping that cycling is somehow more dangerous than walking.

You completely ignore the FACT that cycling is faster and allows covering a much greater distance between stops -- thus significantly reducing vulnerability.

You also ignore the FACT that cycling allows carrying loads that would be impossible or at least impractical if walking.

Yes, a car has advantages -- it provide SOME protection both from the elements and from casual dismounted attackers -- a car is faster than a bicycle IF the roads are clear and open -- and a car can cover even greater distances IF fuel is available.

BUT when the alternatives are 1) Staying put at a bad location, or 2) Walking, or 3) Cycling -- there are very few circumstances where 1 or 2 is a better choice than 3.

While we are all sorry for your childhood trauma having the big bad bully knock you down and take your bike, it is time to get over that and move on.
No hate, but you're being overly harsh; the OP pretty much made clear he was no spring chicken, so riding a bike through an expectedly hostile environment - which would be a challenge to any of us - would be a tremendous obstacle for this guy to mwnage. We're supposed to offer realistic options for any OP, not telling him the obvious, or, worse, blowing rainbow dust up his butt, does him no good.

Not telling him that it's better to stay put is doing him a disservice; this guy will be on his bike, exposed to the elements, carrying - according to you - a heavier load than he'd have if he was on foot, trying to get to a safe place (after just leaving a safe place) by moving through a hostile environment on roads tgat - again, according to you - might be unmanageable for a car. A guy would be stupid (no insult to either of you) to wander into the environment you each describe.

That's not to disallow the mental process of desperation to return to loved ones. I get that. I really do, but if this guy is going to navigate the distance he describes through an environment you describe, he's not getting home. The coyotes will find him and not give a thought as to why some guy would be out there with no clothes on or shoes or supplies or any other possessions with him.

One other guy suggested a little motorbike. That's not bad. I suggested a better car, but a motorbike is much better. Get past a learning curve and he has a much better chance of getting home.
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Why did no one else think of this? Much better idea than a bike.
Good for Some situations, but in a very likely EMP scenario....electronic ignition vehicle may not work...otherwise great option...in congested scenario.

BTW...staying put instead of getting home is not going to be an option if you have family to get to and protect...as well as your more defensible position/supplies...

Have options considered, plan ahead, know your alternatives...but if you need to get home, and most people will....then plan for it and do it! Great idea to PRACTICE/drill just like you would with weapons training.

Some of the comments here are obviously from people who are single, maybe not well prepared for a longer term emergency situation....
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Love the ideas coming out of this thread, some of which I'll plan on using.

One other item to consider is some type of camo netting or something. The big downside to a bike is that you'll have to ditch it often in a bad situation for various reasons (terrain, speed, etc) and it would be nice to have some netting to throw over it in the bushes for an expedient hide spot.
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wanted to jump in.

I love my lil vintage (emp-proofish) motorbikes as much as the next guy..but I think for most folks, like this OP, the idea of a pedal bike can make a lot of sense.
getting "out of Dodge" when car traffic is gridlocked..might only need to go a few miles..not all the way home...but far enough to get past the actual problem, get to a family or friend's home or to a road where someone can come pick you up.
and if you're pushing the pedals, you're likely getting out of the city ahead of most folks..and ahead of trouble makers who will wait til later to prey upon stragglers as rule of law and order diminish.
I'm too old to pedal far...5 miles of easy pretty flat roads, trails..that's enough to be fun...hitting it hard for 15-30 miles?...not part of my recreational enjoyment plan...but.. I know based on my 5 mile jaunts, that if it's a really bad day... I'll get there faster on pedals than on foot and the bike will be carrying my get home bag instead of it slung over my shoulder...so definitely a help.

on the motorbikes.. and i'm no mechanic by any means, but visiting with various guys in and around my circle...listening to rifle range chatter...a lot of them know how to run their AR15s, but wouldn't have a clue how to start, or change gears on a motorbike nor ride one skillfully enough to overcome barriers, bypass obstacles....let alone know what to do to get one up and running if there were a failure.

good example...one of my machines was finally fixed this past weekend...had been giving me fits..and it really acted like fuel, however it could easily have been 8 different things..turns out..it was old worn wiring that was creating resistance enough to heat up and melt a fuse harness, allowing the spark to ping off the frame when you put some throttle to it...with the barest of tools, i was able to strp and reterminate existing wiring, wrap a bit of foil around the old heat damaged fuse to get good contact (no, it won't stay that way..new fuses replaced), and taped up the damaged casing so that no further sparking would occurr...few minutes later, back up and running 100%..and this is on a 38 year old cycle..where its all about carb, points, etc..not a thing on there that would care about an emp...can even start and run without a battery..not an easy task and a good hill is helpful (grin)..but doable...point is...the average guy today doesn't include this kind of basic engine discovery and repair in their man-card list..whereas more folks are likely to get it done on a pedal bike.

and much as I love my motorbikes, I'm not hauling one around on the bumper of the car every day to work...but a pedal bike? yeah...that's not unusual to see at all
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You are no more vulnerable on a bike than any sort of motorcycle.

Just make sure that, even more than every day use, you make safety your number one concern. You need to wear gloves, a helmet, and any other protective gear you can. You need to ride at a consistent but not too fast pace. You need to keep in mind what things like wearing a pack will do on hills.

My mountain bike is decked out as a possible BOV.
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Biking and thoughts of biking bring out the childhood thinking in us all. This close to spring, especially, biking is a good thought.

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Yup!! Simpler times, less busy roads. Used to go everywhere on my bike.

Grew up, got a car, going places by bike kind of fell away.

Nowadays, roads clogged with cars and trucks, back on the bike riding past cars, using utility roads and other tracks where cars can't go. Far faster and more convenient

Learnt quickly that trying to ride with a pack on throws my balance way off, so eventually got pannier rack for my pack. Later got a small trailer as well.

Now I go most places by bike whilst the 4x4 sits at home.

Added bonus: I cut my fuel and vehicle upkeep bills by at least 70%
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I agree, possible but I have effed up several bullies and recieved the same as well. I saw a great bug out / GHB on aRiver Bend Survival YouTube last night. So far, I've driven several routes home in the daytime for landmark and topography recognition and difficulty. I just started driving the routes at night, but there are several. My original basic training was a violent hillbilly paper mill town, so biking 75 miles down back roads on a bike in SHTF is very much the same, maybe easier. Probably easier because I'll be armed . Next, I start riding bike paths after tracking them on Google Earth so I can plant resupply caches. I am no spring chicken, but I am fairly intelligent and toughened early on. More important, I 'm prepared and practiced, or, I'm getting there. The big vulnerability of a bike is the same as a horse, legs/stokes and rider.
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Back in my 20's I took a 7 day bike trip with a large multi church group across Wisconsin. I was in much better shape back then but IIRC the average daily miles biked was 50 to 60 miles. On one of the days a group of us biked 100 miles. I had a heavy Trek mountain bike and made it. I'd plan on 2 to 3 days for a 100 mile trip right after an EMP event.

The roads where I live in S. Missouri are hilly and curvy w/ no shoulders, I'd be scared for my life riding a bicycle on these roads. Seeing how the locals drive - riding their vehicle's brakes down hills, I can tell they didn't grow up riding bicycles. Too dangerous.

If I was really concerned with EMP and had a long commute - I'd definitely look into keeping a bicycle in my truck.
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Why did no one else think of this? Much better idea than a bike.
There's pretty much no chance of using stealth on a small bike like that one shown. If everyone around is looking for a way out and they hear a small motorbike, you're the next contestant on "This Could End Your Life".

With a bicycle, even one pulling a trailer, you at least have some stealth working on your side.

The guy on this Youtube video really has my interest peaked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2EgMCk0sts in that he makes his trailers out of a few 20-26" rims, some 2x2, and left over election posters. A little spray paint and it's full camp. He's taken a couple of different versions to Burning Man and stayed in them for a week.

I've got a Cannondale mountain bike that I put much smoother road tires on (Really improves your rolling distance), put some beachcruiser handlebars on for comfort, have two old peperboy style wire baskets mounted over the back wheel that I plan to move to the front once I finish my trailer.

I've also got 2 folding bicycles, one is a Royce I used in Ireland when working over there, multi speeds, then one is a single speed with 12" tires. It can fold down and fit in a medium sized suitcase for travel. I plan to modify my trailer so I can pull it behind the little one. Even have the trailer collapse for small storage. They'd both ride under the bunks in the bed of my pickup truck and definitely be for emergency bugging out if my truck decides to give up on me.

The only disadvantage is the single speed but, in a way that's an advantage as well, less maintenance, less moving parts, lighter, smaller. Perhaps even find a larger front sprocket to get a little more speed out of it.

Once I sell off a few of my motorcycles, I plan to buy a 650+/- enduro bike. That'll get you away from the chaos, going up and down stairs with ease, through parks, across shallow bodies of water, and let you stay on the side of major highways to get to where you want to go.

Take a look at those links though, guy makes some pretty awesome trailers/homeless shelters.

I'd love to see the city of Protestland... Umm, I mean Portland take all those thousands of election signs and some left over 2x2's from construction projects and make a lot of homeless shelters out of them. Maybe have a design competition with the local archies and engineers to come up with the best ideas on a limited budget.

Better than my tax dollars paying for them all to have homes..
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Sometimes a bicycle is a good idea, and sometimes not so much - ie snow.



Pretty low profile and the Burley will haul 100 pounds of stuff.


A bicycle carries all of this with a fraction of the effort - and at 8 to 13 MPH. Walking with a load, you might get 3 MPH - might.


Close up showing an LC-2 (ALICE) frame under the tool bag. The frame can easily carry both panniers as the mounting hooks fit the frame like they were made to work together. i have the LC-2 frame shelf under there as well.

So, if for some unfathomable reason you had to ditch the bike and carry on walking - then the load on the bike can now go on the pack frame. The panniers are both roll top and completely water-proof.


If for some utterly unknown reason the ruck set had to be dropped, the butt pack on handlebars (now working as the chow bag) will carry minimal essential items.



Small pack is now setup to carry water, chow, saw, small stove, pot and so on. Not shown rigged to carry poncho set.

Doesn't matter how or what you use to carry something - flexibility should be your first consideration.

Finally, if I have spend time on the far side of town, I carry a small folding 3 speed bik to get home in extremis. Because it beats the hell out of walking.

FWIW - while I do write disaster fiction, I personally don't see hordes of Mau-Maus storming the city in the first couple of days. Figure 6 to 9 missed meals before it gets tense. More than enough time for me to get to where I plan to be.

Best of luck to the OP - sometime all life gives you is a set of choices that go from bad to horrible...
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I am a bike-a-holic Surly is my favorite brand of bike But I picked up a bike from bikes direct that I am liking and think would make a good bike for this . It is a gravity bullseye 29 plus . I rode 16 miles yesterday on a bike trail I could run~10 mph easily the trail I rode runs along the river , there was nearly a mile of flood debris lots of dead wood wrist to leg size . I was able to gear down and ride over some really rough stuff . yet run at a decent speed on pavement
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...bikes-mtbs.htm
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The only drawback to this bike is size. the bike in the front is a 21in/53.5 cm Raleigh sports with 26 in tires (right size for 5'9'-6' person ) the bike I am talking about is behind it both bikes are set up for me at 5ft 10in. it is a large bike

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thought about this thread on my commute home last night...10 miles of gridlock on the interstate as a semi had lost it and laid the entire rig down on it's side..blocking all 4 lanes of the southbound.

i watched as the occassional selfish basshat would run down the grass on the side of the highway trying to get to an exit ramp, folks trying to shift lanes and ticking off other drivers..it was a pleasant enough temp...and I was within 8 miles of my exit, and then another 7 miles to the house..easy enough pedal home if need be...and the news media on the radio was little help as to what the hold up was...if it was a hazardous truck etc..but with no rush to be anywhere and enjoying a conversation with my 86yr old mom on the phone, and plenty of gas in the tank (actually several folks ran out of gas and had to ditch it on the side of the road..amazing) anyway.. i just relaxed and enjoyed some extra chat time..but it was a nice feeling to know that:
1) I had a bike with me
2) i had supplies with me
3) I had protection with me
4) I had gas in the tank
5) I had communications

the only thing i didn't leverage, that was available, was my portable CB radio.. coulda turned it on and listened to the truckers to find out more info.
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The Surly Pugsley can get through pretty much anything. Note, the price noted here is for the frame only. If you do a search on the Puglsey, you'll see that its a very popular bike for adventure riders.

http://www.mtbr.com/cat/bikes/fat-bi...1_7816crx.aspx
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The Surly Pugsley can get through pretty much anything. Note, the price noted here is for the frame only. If you do a search on the Puglsey, you'll see that its a very popular bike for adventure riders.

http://www.mtbr.com/cat/bikes/fat-bi...1_7816crx.aspx
Surly discontinued pugsley as complete bikes . I love surly but don't ride off road enough to justify a surly Fatbikes cost. The bike I posted above is $499 including shipping
I have a custom Surly Long haul trucker and a steamroller and will pick up a Cross check Fri.
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If I walk unloaded, it's 3 mph. I can run 6 mph. I can bike an average of 16 mph. With 20-25 mph peaks and faster downhill (unlike walking you only need to work uphill).

I can only run for 6 miles and I start slowing down to walking speeds. I can bike 16 miles in the same time frame. My typical 22 mile bike workout route takes 1hr 20 minutes if I stop for a water break. If I bring along someone who's not fit we average 9 mph and if they are semi fit we average 12 mph.

A slow 9 mph is 1/3 faster then my running speed and I could do that pace sun up to sun down, days on end. But, I'd attempt to push through the whole trip at once.

Loaded down you'll want racks, panniers, and maybe a trailer. That's why I use a heavy old 45 lb mountain bike to train but own several 20-25 lb bikes I can mount and carry stuff on.

If you're worried about getting jumped, then conceal carry a gun. People conceal carry them while they're riding for exercise in some cities now. When I leave at 5:00 am to ride it's dark and I take paths with no lighting and little traffic. An expensive bike in dark areas with no traffic can make for a target. A helmet mounted light allows you to look in different directions for more situational awareness (like missing rabbits, holes, deer, geese, runners with headphones dressed in black and other dangerous bike hazards). Bright handlebar lights shine where ever the bike is pointed.

In a SHTF that requires a bicycle I'll open carry a handgun and have a rifle across my back with my bags hooked to my rear rack.
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My work was 70 miles away and was right over to San Andreas fault in plamdale CA. and I keep a folding bike in my truck. I use to tell my wife if the fault goes It may take a few days but I will be home.
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Just look at WWII. Multiple armies used bicycles; the Germans, Americans, Japanese, British, Dutch, etc.

Heck the British even jumped out of planes with them.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/mili...ding-bicycles/

Beats walking. And if you have 4 or 5 in your group with weapons showing, most people would leave you alone.

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When working at the office I'm 12-miles from home. If for some reason my truck is disabled or I am otherwise unable to use, it my secondary get-home plans includes my paratrooper bike;


This bike folds for convenient transport under the cover of my truck bed.


With this bike I can get home in a couple of hours with minimal effort. This compares favorably against a 5-hour blistering hike.
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I was pondering the idea of using one of those tire rubbing generstors to charge a cellaphone or my 2 meter handlheld while trying to get home or to my bugout location. I was wondering what current it had, output etc.. SO I googled it and found this little gem.. A DIY bike generator converter for charging I Phone or androids depending on what cable you put on the end.

I would think I could even make one twith the proper end to charge my 2 meter low power 2 meter handheld as well.. Time to find my wire snips and fire up the soldering iron..

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/charge-...one-ride-bike/

Scroll down that page until you find the DIY Pedal Power Phone Charger video. Pretty east to build even for the not so electrical engineering inclined amongst us..
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