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Old 12-16-2018, 12:39 PM
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Dogs smell.
Dogs cost money.
Dogs require attention.
Dogs sleep.
Dogs get sick.
Dogs crap and need attention.
Dogs can be shot, stabbed, poisoned...
Dogs are a liability if they eat the face off a child.
Dogs have a mind of their own and no matter how well you claim you trained them they can and do go off the deep end.
Change "Dogs" to "Peoples Kids" and I feel the same way their kids
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Change "Dogs" to "Peoples Kids" and I feel the same way their kids
Who uses kids for security?

Yeah, nobody...
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A nervous 3lb Chihuahua, that hears everything...as in, a pin drop from 3 states away (exaggerated..) will wake up the whole house..

It can be punted across the room. Sure. But by that time, firearm will be in hand.

A dog of any size is a cheap, easy addition to most families that fills mulitple roles, as opposed to some system that has one single role (loss of property, sometimes via fire or break in).

A security system could be indispensable for some - a dog may serve the family in a much more real, day to day role.

Neither will stop a true, hardened individual (or group) hell-bent on devastation.

I'd take both. Mulitple layers of both.
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A dog of any size is a cheap, easy addition to most families that fills mulitple roles, as opposed to some system that has one single role (loss of property, sometimes via fire or break in).
My dog was pretty expensive. Especially later in her life. I agree though, a dog fits many other roles than just security.

If it were strictly security purposes only, a security system is a fraction of the cost.
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My last one was until she hit about 12 years old and started going deaf and "hearing things". Spent more than a few nights running downstairs ready to battle intruders in my underwear
That's really bad when you have intruders in your underwear.
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The only thing your labs have in common with a highly trained police dog is the smell, you are only fooling yourself and are creating a false sense of safety and security in doing so.
You seem obsessed with how dogs 'smell' for some reason.

I suggest shampoo along with a dog that is healthy to begin with. No smell that way friend...
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You seem obsessed with how dogs 'smell' for some reason.

I suggest shampoo along with a dog that is healthy to begin with. No smell that way friend...
Dogs smell.
Itís not an obsession it just the way it is.
A wet dog smells, they roll in who knows what, they fart, they get Klingons, their breath smells...

Dog owners are like liberals when it comes to their dogs, both groups refuse the truth and make excuses.
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A 'beware of dog' sign can also be a good layer of security.
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For strictly security purposes. Is a dog better than a security system?

Pros/Cons?
No! Security dogs can be a liability. Dogs can be shot or other wise silenced. Dogs give too many false alarms.

Security systems are passive, can be hidden, alert you without letting on you have been alerted or can sound an alarm that will not be taken as just an annoying dog.

Dogs should be pets with a purpose but security should be a plus not a purpose.
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A 'beware of dog' sign can also be a good layer of security.

Beware of dog signs are a legal liability if in fact you have a dog that bites someone. The court will determine that you acknowledge your dog is dangerous and that will be a detriment to your defense.
Said signs are useful if you have a dog that is not aggressive or passive because crooks may not want to test the sign's validity.
If you have an aggressive or guard dog, It's better not to advertise this fact.
You can tell the court; 'Gee your honor. He's never bit anyone before'.
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Bet your stinking alarm can't pep you up when you feel a little blue
Or make laugh at the silly antics Dogs do at times
How about the companionship that dogs give their owners bet your alarm can't give you that
Besides Dog spelled backwards spells God
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Bet your stinking alarm can't pep you up when you feel a little blue
Or make laugh at the silly antics Dogs do at times
How about the companionship that dogs give their owners bet your alarm can't give you that
Besides Dog spelled backwards spells God
The thread wasnít about if dogs make good companions to some people who cannot handle lifeís daily stresses, itís about security.
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Dogs smell.
Itís not an obsession it just the way it is.
A wet dog smells, they roll in who knows what, they fart, they get Klingons, their breath smells...
Thinking you need to hang with people that better care for their dogs cause your generalization does not really apply to all dogs.

Guessing you got bit a few times when you were young? LOL!
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Judging from the crime reports in the local papers, the average home theft scenario amounts to basically some druggy lowlife finding a house or outbuilding with no lights on and no vehicles in the driveway, breaking in through a window or door, spending less than five minutes grabbing anything valuable, and then taking off with whatever he/they can carry.
A franchised security system will result in the cops arriving twenty minutes after the thieves leave, and if you're lucky you might get a grainy image of the people who broke in and stole all your stuff.
I'm not interested in getting a picture of the guy who robbed me, and I'm not interested in a system that involves someone calling me and letting me know that I've been robbed. I want a system that prevents the meth monkey from robbing me.
My security system is a large, mean Rottweiler that is connected to a tagline that allows the dog to cover the front, back and sides of my house, my vehicles, and my outbuildings. Several of my house lights are connected to a sequencer that turns them on and off at random times when I'm not home. I also have motion activated lights and a loud buzzer that goes off if someone comes onto my property, but they are only there to help my dog spot the person whose leg he is about to chew off.
I'm not worried about some junkie shooting my dog, since most of them have pawned their guns to buy drugs long before they decided to risk breaking into homes.
Before installing my current dog-based security system, my vehicles and my outbuildings had been broken into at least four times. Since getting my present system, although drug based crimes in my rural county have probably doubled, there have been no thefts on my property.
I also bought a Bergen automatic dog feeder at my local Tractor Supply for when I have to be away from home.
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Thinking you need to hang with people that better care for their dogs cause your generalization does not really apply to all dogs.

Guessing you got bit a few times when you were young? LOL!
I donít have some sort of irrational love affair for animals like some people do thatís all.
I can see animals for what they are, but many people have a switch in their brain imo that flips when they have a pet.

The people who have to cart their pookie wookums to Walmart are the extreme example, those that think their pets donít smell and are cute when they jump or climb on visitors are a little lower on the scale but no less irrational.
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I donít have some sort of irrational love affair for animals like some people do thatís all.
I can see animals for what they are, but many people have a switch in their brain imo that flips when they have a pet.
No, regular readers of this thread have seen your determined and decisive fur-phobia. Few, if any, of your comments are less than rabidly anti-canine. Many others believe in the advantages of canines, frequently in addition to digital systems. Their home, their money, their choice.

You seem to declare that digital is best in almost every case, while canines are smelly, expensive, useless and obnoxious fur balls.
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As I wrote earlier, both 'systems' are useful regarding home security.
That being said, we have no electronic security in our home.
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Back when True Magazine was published I recall an article Confessions of a Cat Burglar. It was interesting as he had researched the statistics of being caught, going to trial and serving time balancing it all against his yearly income. But the one thing that stuck in my mind was that he would never enter a home or apartment if he heard the bark of a dog. But that was in the day of thinking burglars not druggies.
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Back when True Magazine was published I recall an article Confessions of a Cat Burglar. It was interesting as he had researched the statistics of being caught, going to trial and serving time balancing it all against his yearly income. But the one thing that stuck in my mind was that he would never enter a home or apartment if he heard the bark of a dog. But that was in the day of thinking burglars not druggies.
You caused me to think. Today if you have a security system you have it turned off, set for in or set for out. If you set it for out it will detect motion. This means a pwrson with an inside dog can never set the alarm for "out". This means once in without tripping the alarm it will not go off. It is easy enough to tell if a home has glass breaks on windows.

Bottom line keeping an inside dog reduces the effectiveness of your security system.
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Dogs don't plug in.

If the grid would go down for a length of time people will quickly understand why man domesticated canines.
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