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Inside the 21 foot rule - a condition 1 1911 to the sternum, safety on (for now). The sight of the gallows focuses the mind.

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Inside the 21 foot rule - a condition 1 1911 to the sternum, safety on (for now). The sight of the gallows focuses the mind.

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Depends on where you are though. The Reporter in the video is facing charges for wielding his gun...only for a moment, and then reholstering.
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one of the joys of living and working rural. i have had a few asinine customers decide to show their tail when it came time to pay the bill. and I have escorted them off the premises before. some easy , and some real easy. you don't have to stand for every cause that comes along. But you do have to stand up.

speaking of that, I had to be down in the bad part of Charleston on monday,I got a variation of one of the street games attempted on me, where , if your turning left, they come scooting up alongside ya in a beater, and cut across in front of you, stop for the light, whether its red or green(dead giveaway if they stop when its green) then they drop it in reverse, and slam your front bumper, dead center, trying to deploy your airbags. lil street rats (4 in the beater car, no tag) did it to me, mine didnt deploy,(been disconnected for 10 years) and if i hadnt had a trailer full of parts hooked behind me, I woulda been on their butt when they slammed the u turn the other way.

they looked kinda shocked they did. soon as they hit me i hit the gas and pushed em sideways.(thus they made a u turn) there was a unmarked unit behind me, stopped me to see if i was OK. but didn't pursue. told me they had received orders not to. it caused to much property damage when the lil hood rats dumped the car.(stolen)

time to plate up the winch bumper for added" push" . Don't get me wrong, Im not a badass. too old, Too Fubar, to do that anymore. But I am one of those that just don't give a damn, and will react in kind to aggression. VA calls it, Conditioned Reflex Response Disorder.
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This is why you have to have a working knowledge of not only the self-defense laws, and how they are applied.

The bottom line is that you are allowed to use a reasonable amount of force to defend yourself. That belief that you are being attacked or are about to be attacked has to be reasonable. You will be judged based on the totality of the circumstances. Size, numbers, fatigue, motive, means and opportunity and all of that jazz will come into play.

You have to be your own best witness, because the question as to if it was reasonable is largely based on you articulating the threat. Words are a great way to solve the problem to not only determine if force is necessary, but also to justify what you do later. Say things like, "Stay back! Get away form me!" Or even, "I feel like you are going to attack me. Step back." These words and his response to those words can make or break justifying using force, in your mind, and the laws mind.

If possible create space, obstacles and barriers. Pretty much self-defense 101, not a special situation. The same rules apply always.
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I'd ask them if they could tell me what Ghandi's baseball batting average was in '08; been wondering for a while. If that didn't disrupt their previously violent thought processes, I'd ask them if they wanted a pineapple. If that didn't work then I'd very loudly ask them WHAT TIME IS IT?!?! so that everyone in the vicinity would start looking at us very weirdly. That oughta shut 'im up haha.
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Don't go to protests. Problem solved. If you do go, understand you're injecting yourself into a situation where violence is likely along with all the consequences thereof.
Protests are the enemies domain for now, we have to try and re-balance things on that one. Thankfully the working class right-wingers are getting back in the swing of things and taking care of business.
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one of the joys of living and working rural. i have had a few asinine customers decide to show their tail when it came time to pay the bill. and I have escorted them off the premises before. some easy , and some real easy. you don't have to stand for every cause that comes along. But you do have to stand up.

speaking of that, I had to be down in the bad part of Charleston on monday,I got a variation of one of the street games attempted on me, where , if your turning left, they come scooting up alongside ya in a beater, and cut across in front of you, stop for the light, whether its red or green(dead giveaway if they stop when its green) then they drop it in reverse, and slam your front bumper, dead center, trying to deploy your airbags. lil street rats (4 in the beater car, no tag) did it to me, mine didnt deploy,(been disconnected for 10 years) and if i hadnt had a trailer full of parts hooked behind me, I woulda been on their butt when they slammed the u turn the other way.

they looked kinda shocked they did. soon as they hit me i hit the gas and pushed em sideways.(thus they made a u turn) there was a unmarked unit behind me, stopped me to see if i was OK. but didn't pursue. told me they had received orders not to. it caused to much property damage when the lil hood rats dumped the car.(stolen)

time to plate up the winch bumper for added" push" . Don't get me wrong, Im not a badass. too old, Too Fubar, to do that anymore. But I am one of those that just don't give a damn, and will react in kind to aggression. VA calls it, Conditioned Reflex Response Disorder.

Good story and it ****ed me off. So they just did that for fun? Or trying to collect insurance money? This country used to be pretty nice when we immigrated here 20+ years ago, as non-White minorities. I know that cops don't even bother chasing the hood-rats that terrorize the inner cities in their Pep Boys 2-stroke motorcycles and ATV's, due to them cutting through playgrounds, etc. But damn, now it's stolen cars too that they don't chase?

Yet the people there vote in the same knuckleheads year after year to represent them, then they cry about it to the cops on Monday while protesting against the cops on Tuesday.
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I'd ask them if they could tell me what Ghandi's baseball batting average was in '08; been wondering for a while. If that didn't disrupt their previously violent thought processes, I'd ask them if they wanted a pineapple. If that didn't work then I'd very loudly ask them WHAT TIME IS IT?!?! so that everyone in the vicinity would start looking at us very weirdly. That oughta shut 'im up haha.

This is interesting and should work. Another take on being "the crazy guy".
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Dunno about crazy guy, but all I can say is "Pepper Spray is Organic."

No one can accuse you of chemical assault, as with CS/CN.

Someone gets into my personal space getting all belligerent and aggro, and its time to create some distance. Pepper spray is good for creating distance, or at least as a distraction. Be ready for Phase 2, though...
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First I seem to have avoided these situations all for all of a long life...But, if someone gets that close, he just might "trip" me, and end up with a good forceful heal stomp on toes on arch of his foot...(I didn't see what shoes or boots he was wearing--but foot gear as well as the BG clothing is all part of situational awareness and how that can be used to your advantage. Do damage, but where it looks as if it is the BG fault.
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The problem with reacting with an assault of any kind is that you're giving the aggressor exactly what he wants. He wants a fight. That means he thinks he's confident and feels prepared to hurt you. As soon as you give him that reaction, things can go downhill very fast. For you, for them, and for both of you're families; innocent parties to an altercation you could have prevented by not being afraid to make a goof of yourself. For all YOU know, the sole reason this guy is so confident and eager for a fight is because he has six of his buddies waiting in the bushes to jump you as soon as you react with violence; then, in a court of law, it will be all THEIR words against little ol' doomsday prepped you. Who do you think the cops are going to believe?

When fighting angry blind man, best to just stay out of the way.
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Or worse, they'll all just beat you to death and get away with it by calling self defense. Not so smart now, are ya. *shrugs*
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Dunno about crazy guy, but all I can say is "Pepper Spray is Organic."

No one can accuse you of chemical assault, as with CS/CN.
That's an interesting point. Do some states and/or cities disallow CS spray while allowing the pepper ones? And have people been sued (and loss) for using CS as a chemical attack? Like if you spray someone with engine cleaner, that shoots really far....I bet it can cause blindness.

What I hate about pepper spray is that it goes bad after a few years and stops spraying = trash. Spending hundreds of dollars. While this one CS spray that's disguised as a 1990's pager (when I bought it), is still working....that's like 20+ freakin' years. There are 2 CO2 looking cartridges inside. And I test spray once ever few years when I remember to. It still works. Need to find and test the one that's disguised as a pen.
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You offset on them.So you sit your shoulder in the middle of their chest With your arm out. That way you dont get this super agressive nose to nose. But if they push forwards they basically give you their back.
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You offset on them.So you sit your shoulder in the middle of their chest With your arm out. That way you dont get this super agressive nose to nose. But if they push forwards they basically give you their back.

I like this. This is part of my move.

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The problem with reacting with an assault of any kind is that you're giving the aggressor exactly what he wants. He wants a fight. That means he thinks he's confident and feels prepared to hurt you. As soon as you give him that reaction, things can go downhill very fast. For you, for them, and for both of you're families; innocent parties to an altercation you could have prevented by not being afraid to make a goof of yourself. For all YOU know, the sole reason this guy is so confident and eager for a fight is because he has six of his buddies waiting in the bushes to jump you as soon as you react with violence; then, in a court of law, it will be all THEIR words against little ol' doomsday prepped you. Who do you think the cops are going to believe?

When fighting angry blind man, best to just stay out of the way.
I agree with the premise that avoiding a fight is best. But I overall disagree with the fact that they typically want to fight you. What they want in most cases is to measure you and attack (not fight) those that fail to stand up for themselves. As soon as you professionally show your teeth they typically back WAY off.
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Dunno about crazy guy, but all I can say is "Pepper Spray is Organic."

...Be ready for Phase 2, though...
You mean, when the spray hits YOU, since the guy was only a foot away?

All I can say is, pepper spray splash is omnidirectional.
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You mean, when the spray hits YOU, since the guy was only a foot away?

All I can say is, pepper spray splash is omnidirectional.
Thats a good point. Another is that spray dissipates too rapidly to be of much use at any distance.

Both of which are why I use pepper gel instead.

https://www.pepper-spray-store.com/p...er-spray-types
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I'm my alley days in Detroit, one of our tricks to use on somebody trying to crowd you, was to do the penny trick.

You step back as they crowd you, then toss a dozen or so pennies in their face. The natural reaction is to close their eyes, as the pennies hit their face.

What you do next is up to you, foot to groin, rabbit punch to kidney, etc.
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This has happened to me in the lockup where I work twice.

Put your hands up in front of you and say "get back!"

If they continue walking into your hands push 2 fingers into the area of the throat where the collar bones join. Push in and down hard.

They'll cease moving forward or drop straight down. Do it to yourself now and you'll feel how uncomfortable it is. They have a clear choice then that they'll have to escalate to continue.

They're welcome to try.
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