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Now an axe handle is totally different, it is a much more effective striking weapon.

Cane sword.

Old grump, I'm glad you and the boy are OK. Congrats.
First time nephew ever called me sir, 2 years later he still respects the doddering old man. Incidentally the knife guy, now 18 is in custody for armed robbery waiting on a trial date, apparently he was a slow learner. The other kid I have not heard anything about and my nephew has not seen him around. Could be he decided a life of crime wasn't a good career choice.
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Ironically last week I had a guy come out of a house holding a table leg ready to fight. He wouldn't drop it right away when told to do so. Now I wasn't about to go hands on with him, I'm not paid to fight fair. The only thing that kept him from getting shot was the fence that was between me and him.

Funny, I've never been threatened with a stick before, I post this thread and then it happens. I need to be careful what I post I guess.
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This brings to mind the movie 'Quigley Down Under" where Tom Selleck (Quigley) takes out a whole crew with a hickory axe handle. Sure it's just a movie but he really messes up some blokes with just a stick.
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I used to compete in foil-fencing, and for a couple years I coached a high school fencing team.

Doing Law Enforcement work I had the occasion to use a few fencing moves just using two fingers. Reflexes are reflexes after all. A block and repost [or 3/4 of a second later] and an opponent can only focus on trying to make his throat work again so he can breath.

If you train in any martial art, then you will be better than 99.95% of the other people out there.

People can debate for years about which martial art is 'best'. But the debate is silly. Chances are that you will never face-off with anyone who is trained in any art.

If you train with a quarterstaff and then carry a quarterstaff; you will likely be able to defend yourself under 99.95% of all situations.

If you train with a 33" straight pointy stick and then carry a 33" straight pointy stick; you will likely be able to disarm your opponent in 99.95% of all situations.

Just consider trained LEOs and/or infantry in how they clear a room. Now compare that to how 99.95% of all stupid thugs handle a firearm. With both sides holding identical weapons the trained men will stomp the untrained in nearly all cases.



If you insist that you must refuse any training, then maybe you should avoid carrying a cane [or any weapon]. Because as an untrained person going against a thug it is a flip of a coin whether you will be stomped or not.
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A good solid cane is just a stick and Bufford T Pusser, made a believer out of many a criminal with the stick he carried. A well placed strike to the back of the knee will put anyone on the ground, then one to the top of the skull will put them out, I weighted both ends of the ones my wife uses just in case.
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Sorry but I have to disagree. A little old lady against a great big drunk guy? Your probably right. I guy with a strong wrist and the willingness to hurt somebody is gonna do just fine with that cane.
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Sorry but I have to disagree. A little old lady against a great big drunk guy? Your probably right. I guy with a strong wrist and the willingness to hurt somebody is gonna do just fine with that cane.
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QUARTZ HILL, Calif. - Don't mess with the marching band. That's what California authorities are saying after a 17-year-old girl used her marching band baton to beat back two would-be muggers.

Los Angeles County sheriff's Deputy Michael Rust says the Quartz Hill girl was walking to school April 24 when two men approached her from behind, tried to grab her coat and demanded money.

Instead, one got a punch in the nose and the other a kick to the groin. Rust says the girl then beat both of them with her band baton before she ran away.

The men had not been caught. But Rust says there's a clear message to take from the encounter:

"The moral to this story is don't mess with the marching band girls, or you just might get what you deserve. Final score: marching band 2, thugs 0."
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They never met my grandmother either.
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They never met my grandmother either.
Mine either, one was a sturdy old Swede who didn't need a weapon and the other was a little bit of a Bohunk who was pretty quick with and a good shot with a 30-30.
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My Grandma was fierce with a shoe, she could whip that sucker off and comence to beating someone (me) with speed to make a boxer jealous.

Here is the thing about walking sticks and canes-they are primarily walking aides. Those thin lightweight crook canes are not a baseball bat, baseball bats are clubs. What you are supposed to to with those lightweight crook canes is hold the crook with one hand, grasp half way down with the other, and ram the skinny end home in the gut, ribs, nuts, or face.

A pool cue is light and flimsy, but we have all seen what happens when used like a spear. Little old ladies carry a cane to help them walk. They dont usually carry shotguns or Colt .45's, so they use what they have-a stick they know the exact weight, balance, length, and feel of.
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I'm also sure historically there exists cases of people defending themselves with a cane. I wonder how many of these were conducted by people who were good fighters without this aid. Also I suspect there are countless failed attempts of people trying to defend themselves with a pathetic weapon like this and got it taken away and the attacker got revenge.....
So if you only have a stick with you, you shouln't try to defend yourself.
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Good against dogs and crazies I think. Against real criminals, not so good.
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Cane not much of a weapon? Obviously you have never seen or experienced what a Japanese Police Officer can do with one of those @ 4 ft orange and white painted Bamboo sticks they are so fond of...They might only be 5ft 5 and a buck o five but they are pretty wirey and it wont take but about a New York Minute for them to have you down on the ground in the fetal position shaking like a leaf while gasping for air like a guppy out of water! As quick as they can "put the thrill back in death" with that stick, rest assured I have a whole new found level of respect for a man with a bamboo stick!
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The weapon you use is not nearly as important as training, keeping your head in a fight, and using your chosen weapon to its greatest advantage. For example, if you've got a staff and the other guy has a gun, you're not going to charge him across a big open space. On the other hand, if you lure him in by concealment or deception, then he can be quickly disabled or disarmed.

Surprise is also useful over short distances. If someone is 20 or 30 feet away, you can come at them at a run (screaming helps with this if stealth isn't important), closing that gap very quickly, and if they manage to get a shot off, chances are it will go wild if you can get them to panic.

Don't get me wrong, I have a firearm with me, but I'll have a good sturdy staff as well.
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Here is the thing about walking sticks and canes-they are primarily walking aides. Those thin lightweight crook canes are not a baseball bat, baseball bats are clubs. What you are supposed to to with those lightweight crook canes is hold the crook with one hand, grasp half way down with the other, and ram the skinny end home in the gut, ribs, nuts, or face.
Okay, one of my canes matches your description, the rest are pretty stout including 2 stock canes I use around my back fields if I'm not using a walking stick.

The one I used in my little altercation was my light weight cane, it fits me and was convenient to grab when I left the house. The punk didn't stick around to get hit a third time. I use mine to keep my face off the ground and it's all I had with me. You uses what you gots to use, don't be telling people how to cane fight unless you been dere dun dat.

If I had stopped to do the movie trick of repositioning my cane for a belly or face punch I could have been sliced up good because the punk with the knife was barely 3' from my face.

You don't have time to be getting into fighting stances, you just do what you gotta do. Any street fighter will be glad to demonstrate, he won't get in the ready position he will hit you with whatever he has from whatever position he is in and he will do it right now and then he will do it again for as long as necessary. The important thing is to do something and to do it quickly.

A little old lady with a fast heavy purse up alongside the head of some street punk trumps Joe Karate who moves into ready position and warns the punk he is about to have a bad day.
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... What you are supposed to to with those lightweight crook canes is hold the crook with one hand, grasp half way down with the other, and ram the skinny end home in the gut, ribs, nuts, or face ...
There are many ways to cane.
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Good against dogs and crazies I think. Against real criminals, not so good.
Real criminals tend to wear a suit and tie, but even they will fold to a cane.
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Dunno about NC, but that could get you 11/29 across the state line here.

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Okay...If I had stopped to do the movie trick of repositioning my cane for a belly or face punch I could have been sliced up good because the punk with the knife was barely 3' from my face....The important thing is to do something and to do it quickly....
Okay, maybe my description sounded complicated or slow, but putting your second hand "somewhere" on the stick greatly magnifies the force and control. Using it as a "spear" obviously is for range (or to keep them at range). Sometimes you just gotta swing it up for a chin strike if they are that close.

It's not a movie trick, but a standard martial arts/defense move called a "jab" in Cane-Fu (for the elderly). I was trying to demonstrate that a "weak little walking cane" can infict real damage the same way a pool cue can wreck havoc when used "inline".
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There are many ways to cane.
Yes, and the jab can break a rib.
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