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While not in the price range mentioned, I'm really growing to love the POF P308. Aside from weight (the biggest ding on the P308) the rest of the package is so well sorted. Being able to keep the AR "pattern" is of inestimable benefit. Same operation, same accessories, same benefits but in a true "battle" round. I like piston in .308, and I like full ambidextrous controls. I love the monolithic rail, so no worries about optics or other accessory placement. I love the match-grade barrel that is balls-out accurate and durable. I love the single-stage match trigger group. I love that it takes standard AR10 Pmags (or any other standard mag) that are cheap and ubiquitous. POF charges a nominal premium over, say, the Ruger SR762, but it's a significant upgrade with all of the ambi controls and true match-grade components, and the rail system is a significant improvement also. I also like the simplicity of the 3-way adjustable gas system -- semi-auto, suppressed, or "bolt" / single round.

Call me a POF salesman, but the P308 is one damn fine gun.
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Roller locks are more sensitive to ammo variation than gas systems.
You must be kidding? And just how many steel cased russian rounds have you put down the pipe of an FAL? DSA's refuse to eat it.

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I don't believe the HK has a gas system other than to assist loosening the cartridge in the chamber.
Right, it's a roller lock system. The flutes in the chamber allow excess gas to flow past to keep the spent cases from sticking.

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The best value in 308 semi-auto rifles for my money continues to be the M14 pattern rifle.

Aww kitteh! But I really don't know how it's the best value? For the price tag of most new M1as you can just about buy a PTR, a spare parts kit, a plate carrier, mag pouches, steel plates, and ammo...oh AND an entire pallet of factory magazines...LOL
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You must be kidding? And just how many steel cased russian rounds have you put down the pipe of an FAL? DSA's refuse to eat it.
Have a good deal of experience with real PSG1s, HK53s, and various flavors of MP5s and seen all of them run fine on ammo they're designed around and be quirky with ammo they weren't designed for (i.e. M118LR, Mk262, non-M882 9mm) -- because the roller locks have to be tuned to the ammo and recoil impulse. Some guns don't seem to mind variations, others have more issues. They're not designed to be the lone rifle of the apocalypse, eating ghetto mags full of 10 different makes and bullet weights in the same caliber, they're designed to run on a standard military load. This is an issue in theory with all military weapons, but the roller locks are probably the most effected by it outside of the M1 Garand.

Haven't seen any issues with steel cased ammo in the couple FALs I own, including the DSA, but this isn't a FAL vs G3 issue, it's just an aspect of the roller lock design.
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My DSA SA58CP18 has no issues whatsoever with steel case.
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Plus one on love for the POF 308.
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Norinco M305B (M14 clone) for $429, but only available in Canada. I have one on pre-order as couldn't pass up one for that price.

http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/M-305.shtm
Excelent selection. Make me wish i had lots of dough.
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Well, best for the money, how about a Colt .308 for $1300?

http://www.sportsmansoutdoorsupersto...-308-win-rifle
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Aww kitteh! But I really don't know how it's the best value?
I did say it was the best value for my money, YRMV
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I have a Polytech M14, but I think I'd rather have a FAL. Who has the best prices on them these days? I wish I'd gotten one of the cheap kits when they were available.
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Try the FALfiles site. Someone is always selling kits and completed rifles. Most kits are in the $400-$500 range some higher. Rifles are $900+. Usually "+".
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Kel, whatever x91 you go for do not buy the pinned barrel models that are out there. They will go loose and accuracy is gone and much more importantly there are some major safety issues. The first one I bought had all sorts of need stuff included like a rail mounts and scope and the dealer even threw in a flashlight. I thought that was cool until while walking away from sales table bumped the rifle and low and behold the barrel twisted in my hand. This even with forearm was off about 10. Got money back and got a DPMS Tac 20 and I am happy.
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