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Israel: the point of the spear against Islamic incursion.
Israel: America's tar baby.
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Islam is pure evil. Any and everything working to destroy evil is good.
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True. And that's why the U.S. should somehow ( not sure how) be allies with Russia ( not Israel, which really is just a small insignificant country when it comes down to it) . Think about this, if the U.S. and Russia where allies, they would be unbeatable. Plus Russia also hates islam ( Chechnya)
Just a thought
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True. And that's why the U.S. should somehow ( not sure how) be allies with Russia ( not Israel,
It does not have to be one or the other. We could and should be allies with both.

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which really is just a small insignificant country when it comes down to it)
Never read the Bible, huh? When it comes down to it, Israel is just THE most significant country.
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Well, they still don't want to be your allies though. Seems they're happy to direct the US as it's attackdog, and use the US as protection, but anything official which would have to be mutual, and it's "nope".
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It does not have to be one or the other. We could and should be allies with both.


Never read the Bible, huh? When it comes down to it, Israel is just THE most significant country.
That would be ok also but Israel might not want to be allies with Russia. If we had to pick one, I would pick Russia.
As for the Bible, it's not a history book, I certainly wouldn't use it for U.S. foreign policy. That's what islam does, use their religion for political decisions.
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True. And that's why the U.S. should somehow ( not sure how) be allies with Russia ( not Israel, which really is just a small insignificant country when it comes down to it) . Think about this, if the U.S. and Russia where allies, they would be unbeatable. Plus Russia also hates islam ( Chechnya)
Just a thought
Actually we are secretly in an alliance with Russia against Islam. They helped us during the Iraq war. No one hates Islam more than Putin.

Notice regardless of what we or Russia does against Islam neither makes a contentious issue of it. Maybe a little lip-service.
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As for the Bible, it's not a history book,
Indeed. Saying what it is NOT is NOT helping to guide.

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I certainly wouldn't use it for U.S. foreign policy
I certainly WOULD use it for many things, most things actually, including U.S. foreign policy. Consider Psalm 127:1 Unless the Lord builds the house, they labor in vain who build it.

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That's what islam does, use their religion for political decisions.
Islam is dualistic, not just a religion but a totalitarian and oppressive ideology. The Bible liberates. Consider 2 Corinthians 3:17 For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
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I certainly WOULD use it for many things, most things actually, including U.S. foreign policy. Consider Psalm 127:1 Unless the Lord builds the house, they labor in vain who build it.
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Tell that to the Chinese, who have a over 5000 year culture and the most people on the planet. I have a feeling their culture will still be intact when the U.S. as is now is long gone

Logic, reason, and science should be used to make political decisions, not faith. Sorry...faith should be a personal thing only, not one that makes laws. I don't want to live in a theocracy, even a Christian one.
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Tell that to the Chinese, who have a over 5000 year culture and the most people on the planet.
Good God woman! Did you read the other Scripture verse about freedom?

The people in Godless China cannot even use Google, Facebook or Amazon. The Chinese are oppressing the freedom lovers in Hong Kong as we speak! Great example.
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Logic, reason, and science should be used to make political decisions, not faith.
Oy vey! Politics is not a subset of science but ethics. Fact is, most people get their moral code from religion.
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Good God woman! Did you read the other Scripture verse about freedom?

The people in Godless China cannot even use Google, Facebook or Amazon. The Chinese are oppressing the freedom lovers in Hong Kong as we speak! Great example.
We are Israels slaves. $3.8 billion a year to them for what exactly?We do their bidding,why?

Patton was correct.
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Good God woman! Did you read the other Scripture verse about freedom?

The people in Godless China cannot even use Google, Facebook or Amazon. The Chinese are oppressing the freedom lovers in Hong Kong as we speak! Great example.
back at you! No Facebook??? Maybe WE would be better off without it!! As a matter of fact, I am pretty sure we would be...

And you point out lack of morals in China, but but....THEY have a social system that scores you on morals and being a good citizen! THEY are being rewarded for being what basically comes down to the same as "good Christians" . Here , in the U.S. nobody is rewarded for being a good person and doing what they are supposed to, the opposite actually.

There is no freedom in Christianity. You either believe something you cannot see, prove , or get anything out of, and if you don't you go to hell to suffer for all eternity. That's not freedom that's scary.

( this is off topic but I have been watching Chinese and Korean tv shows on Netflix, and they are WAY more moral than ANYTHING American. when you watch anything American, it's usually violent, or full of all sorts of immoral sex and liberalism, and there isn't a show out there without at least one gay/LGBT character, and very few don't try to preach some sort of liberal message either)

So anyway, I usually like your comments but think you are way off here. Being allies with Israel based on what you think it says in the Bible is just just not common sense.

I think the U.S. really needs to rethink who the allies are. It used to be the UK was the number 1 allie but is this smart now? The Uk is pretty close to being run by terrorists now. Same with France and Germany following close behind. Allies should be some country that benefit you in some way. I don't see the current allies benefit the U.S. in any way.
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Religion is never a good foundation to base any government action upon, including foreign policy.
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Yes we should have a Mutual Defense Treaty with Israel ! And PE is right , if for nothing else in support of the JUDEO/CHRISTIAN values and principles of Western Civilization , the reason Islam , the Chicoms and DNC Socialist around the world to include the EU and UN vote against us and undermine us is because of their shared hatred of Everything Judeo/Christian. Just like we should be supporting those protesters in Hong Kong with Arms and Ammunition! One has to ask what kind of culture breeds such Cowardice and Corruption like in Mexico and most all of central and south America that will tolerate and compromise with EVIL and justify it by selling their souls for 30 pieces of silver or British Pounds like Benedict Arnold. It is very simple really those who worship the state and the power it has to crush Freedom and Liberty! JMHO and S/FI!
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This country has been blessed because of way we have accepted Jews in this county and Israel since its reestablishment. Christians and Jews believe in God who expects good. Other gods do not expect good. In fact Allah expects evil because he is evil.
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So anyway, I usually like your comments but think you are way off here.
Thanks. You probably think I am way off because of our different views on religion and how it relates to the matter at hand.

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There is no freedom in Christianity.
Ha! Freedom ONLY is through Christianity. See cultures that are free and their relationship to Christianity.

Christianity spreads by persuasion, not the sword.
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Christianity spreads by persuasion, not the sword.
Perhaps now, but that wasn't so true in the past. Spain forced it upon Central/South America.
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