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Old 08-02-2019, 01:37 PM
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Difficult question. I sight in my deer rifle with 5-6 rounds. I may not any during season or one or two at game. So a box would last a year. Shotgun? Couple boxes for varmints during the year. Hunting? couple of boxes. Clays? 2-4 boxes. So 10 boxes for a year. 22 lr? Mostly varmints so a bulk box of 500 last several years or more. 22 centerfire? 5-6 in each round for sighting and 100 or more per hunt. Amounts of hunts vary so lets say 300 rounds. 500 or so pellets for the rifles. 100 pistol ammo
Now reality. I scrounge brass, pick up when can and stash it. I pick up projectiles one sale, clearance or when I just want a box or two. In the winter I spend a few days moulding projectiles Usually in batches of 500 with several sizes. I still pick lead wheel weights off the road when I find them. I keep enough primers and powder that I can load 100 of any round I shoot. I reload in the winter when it is cool outside. Keeping a year supply of loaded ammo for your basic needs is prudent. Keeping a 5 year supply is wise. Remember the ammo and primer shortage a few years ago? Locally we went without primers on the shelf for long time and ammo was scarce.
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Gun owners can be ranked into the following categories.

1. Those who dont shoot and dont stock ammo. They have fired their gun once or twice and put it and their half full box of ammo away for a rainy day.

2. Those who shoot and dont stock ammo. Everytime they shoot they have to buy ammo because they have none on hand. They brag about all the guns they own but they never have more than 100 rounds on hand for all their guns combined.

3. Those who dont shoot and stock ammo. They are not proficient with their guns at all. They may not even know how to take them apart. They have optics and sights on guns that they've had for over 10 years that have never been sighted in. They tend to be super paranoid and as such own thousands upon thousands of rounds but they are too scared to shoot any of them for fear that they will go extinct.

4. Those who shoot and stock ammo. Their ammo stash is always slowly growing because they tend to buy slightly more than they shoot but they shoot and practice regularly. They are proficient with their guns but they also like being prepared so they keep a minimum number of rounds on hand for every caliber they own.

I prefer to be #4. I shoot over 5000 rounds a year and have at least that many centerfire rounds on hand. I still feel like I dont have enough because I shoot a lot and know how fast it can go.

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OP, that’s a difficult question, made even more difficult by trying to answer for someone else!

I’ll wager the primary difference betwixt your and our grandparents, and today is price along with availability. It wouldn’t be uncommon for our forefathers to head out for a hunt or even plinking without ammunition, stopping by a local hardware store, convenience store or gas station to pick up a box or few of whatever they intended to use...and quite literally with pocket money.

Today, yah, you sure could. It’d cost more, but still could. Tomorrow? Who knows what media hype could cause a run & a blight. Or some crazy unconstitutional law may cause a 10 day wait while a background check gets run, along with a +$10 fee...

Point being, a lot of folks whom regularly enjoy the shooting sports stock up a goodly bit. Buying stuff while on special here and there, or online (if they can) as prices are normally lower vs locally.

All should remember that it wasn’t too long ago where if you wanted to go plink a brick or few of .22, that if you didn’t have any you weren’t going...
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We have about 5K total rounds/components here. The wife and I are both over 70 and I think this should be enough for us. We replace what we use.
A neighboring couple around our children's ages has around 50K and don't think they have enough.
I believe part of the calculation information regarding requirements may be age specific.
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I like ammo as much as anyone else and like many here I've shot 500 in just one day of classes. At the same time, as for how much you need for defense, I was just reading about the NYPD shooting 540 in 2006 total. That's for all 36,000 NYPD officers, patroling the street and not exaclty lookign to avoid the fight but confronting it. In a nutshell, you're highly unlikely to shoot 500 rounds in self defense fights your entire life.
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I like ammo as much as anyone else and like many here I've shot 500 in just one day of classes. At the same time, as for how much you need for defense, I was just reading about the NYPD shooting 540 in 2006 total. That's for all 36,000 NYPD officers, patroling the street and not exaclty lookign to avoid the fight but confronting it. In a nutshell, you're highly unlikely to shoot 500 rounds in self defense fights your entire life.
very true.

I try to keep enough on hand to mitigate any future possible ban or disturbance that may happen in the future.
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I like ammo as much as anyone else and like many here I've shot 500 in just one day of classes. At the same time, as for how much you need for defense, I was just reading about the NYPD shooting 540 in 2006 total. That's for all 36,000 NYPD officers, patroling the street and not exaclty lookign to avoid the fight but confronting it. In a nutshell, you're highly unlikely to shoot 500 rounds in self defense fights your entire life.
That doesn't account for training and qualification though, which is a significant part of the equation. Also, I've known team guys go through 500-600 rounds in a single firefight. Yes, we can throw in probability, but training is what insures those probabilities are skewed in your favor and that requires a lot of invested time and ammo.

I've known guys go through their whole life with a single handgun, rarely shot, limited ammo on hand and pass-away, gifting their handgun to their grandchildren. I just don't feel that comfortable with that strategy.

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I try to keep enough on hand to mitigate any future possible ban or disturbance that may happen in the future.
That's my philosophy. At times, I find myself thinking I should buy a LOT of ammo now when it's cheap, recalling the times that I either came close to running out (after Sandy Hook) or paid too much because of an anticipated shortage. However, once my supply of defensive/hunting ammo reached a certain point, and I'd established that my go-to firearms functioned reliably with that ammo, I started focusing almost entirely on less expensive range ammo. I do still have certain standards for those purposes, such as buying M193-spec 55gr instead of the absolute cheapest .223 I can find in case my range ammo has to fill a defensive role, although I have no real expectation that it would do more than punch holes.

The way the political climate changes, I can imagine a day when shooting ranges turn into the equivalent of gun-grabbing checkpoints, speed traps, etc. At that point, I wouldn't be burning through range ammo.
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At the start of my planning decades ago, I wanted to have NATO/LEO calibers and that is where my stockpile is centered. 9mm, .308, .223, 12 ga, .38 spcl... I have other fun guns, 30-30,.30-06, etc. I only keep about 200 rounds for these fun guns. But I try to maintain 500 rounds for each of my NATO/LEO calibers.. My .22 has 5,000 rounds.

I figure if there is a bad emergency and I cant get more ammo with that stockpile, i am too bad a shot to have any ammo.
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3-5 (thousand) for each of your main weps in there respective caliber (per person).

Estimated cost (per 1000 in USD):
9mm - 160
45ACP - 250
5.56 - 250
7.62 US - 550
7.62 AK - 180

Sub-Cal:
22 LR - 32 to 36
12 Ga Buck - 320

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My stockpile was just plain wrong but I am figuring it out. I figured if I started with a 1000 rounds per caliber (except for .22lr), I would always have the spare 1k plus the box I shoot out of. Here is where I went wrong.

I train with 9mm more than any other caliber, probably around 400-500 rounds per month. Having to pay full price for another 1k rounds hurts. I will buy 9mm 5k at a time now when I find a great sale to last for the year. I will keep 1k defensive rounds on hand. I buy Sig VCrown in the 20 pack so once I have 50 boxes, I'll be fine and will probably never use them all. I could probably stop at 500 but where is the fun in that.

For .223, those guns are just so silly easy to shoot. I really only train with them when I can get into one of those combat training style classes. I don't need to go to the range and fire off .223 every week. The 1k rounds lasts the entire year. I picked up 1k rounds of green tips but again, I'll probably never use them. 1k .223 per year is plenty and I just wait for one of those chances to get them under .20 a round to buy.

.22lr is used up way faster than anticipated. I was thinking I'd buy 5k rounds and put them aside and just buy what I shoot. Nope. My kids and I can go through 2k rounds of .22lr every month. I can easily use up 25k rounds of .22lr per year. We only use them for fun. I don't hunt squirrel or rabbit but would be fine doing so. I literally buy .22lr every time I see it go on sale. I never thought I'd be the type to have 50k rounds of ammo at home but it goes so quick. I'll pick up a box of the better stuff to hide away but Federal and Remington get the job done for the right price.

Those are the only calibers that I was surprised by my usage. 500 each of other handgun ammo and 200 each of rifle caliber ammo is plenty. 500 shot gun shells on the shelf and buy when needed.
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So it's time to ask how much for training and how much for actual field use.

If you are shooting 100 round practices every day? That means you need at least 36,500 just for training, and let's say you compete in 300 round matches once a week, that means you need at least another 200 rounds 52 times a year. On the flip side, I've know hunters that only used 20 rounds of 30-30 in 20 years and filled thier tag every time. So what's the minimum? What is the situation? How much do you actually practice? Not to mention how many rounds do you expend that don't add to your score while you are practicing? If you are in the one round equals one kill realm, than 1.5 rounds for the expected time afield without replenishment should do. But the average trained soldier expended 35.8 rounds of 5.56 per EKIA in NAM.There are reasons that Combat Loads are measured in weight. If you expect your skeleton to be found atop a pile of expended cartridges, use the cyclic rate of the firearm you have chosen to determine the amount of time it takes an overweight out of shape combatant to run the distance that your selected firearm matches your skillset. JMHO.
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Its going to take what it takes. There seems to be a lot of difference in what people think and do, so who's to say whats the right amount? Whats right for you, is right for you I guess.


I do think whats goes on during the more or less, self-induced shortages give you a pretty good idea where many, if not most seem to be in the scheme of things here.

I think the more youre likely to be into shooting, the better off you tend to be.

None of those I saw at the various shops during the last fiasco were looking to buy cases. And if they were looking for large amounts of anything, it was bricks of .22LR.

Reloading isnt much different either. Most people I know dont reload. They find out you do, and they all want you to load for them.

Most shops here still sell primers and bullets by the 100, and powder by the pound. Pretty much the "one box'll do mentality" just carried over.
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A firearm without ammo is just an expensive paperweight. Look to the ammo shortage of just a couple years ago for guidance as to how much one should stock. As for me, I don't intend to run out of anything.
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IF one is bugging in , there is no such thing has too much , if one is bugging out , it depends foot , vehicle, boat , pack mule and horse , atv etc. each will vary. Just remember this when the day comes we have to hide em , it is definitely past time to use em. JMHO and S/FI!
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1. SHTF (Yes you said not, but it's simple to cover.)
It's highly unlikely you will survive through 1,000 rounds of rifle ammo in combat "solo"
Put this back after check-in for function, buy another case of FMJ and reorder when you shoot up half of it.

500 rounds of pistol, .22 and shotgun determined by your hunting/harvesting expectations.

2. What your asking:
Based on ammo situations over years.... Enough to cover your shooting for 10 years.
Otherwise you may be paying $100/brick of .22, or more...y

JMHO.
1000 rounds in combat , not likely unless you are shooting belt Fed guns. Then you can go through a thousand pretty fast.

But a soldiers load out is 10 mags. That’s 300 per person. If you have 2 adults in your family 600 would give you two load outs. Some vets I’ve talked to said they liked to carry an extra loadout of Ammo in the humvee when they could. So that’s 1200 for 2 adults. Then you need back up. So that’s 2400 per 2 adults.

Of course post SHTF people will still need to train , zero and test weapons.

Plus shooting for fun. I know you may think recreational shooting would stop after SHTF. But ask yourself this, is a world without recreational shooting worth surviving in ? So stock pile and extra 100k rounds for that. But most of it can be 22lr
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IF one is bugging in , there is no such thing has too much .......
Excellent point.
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A firearm without ammo is just an expensive paperweight. Look to the ammo shortage of just a couple years ago for guidance as to how much one should stock. As for me, I don't intend to run out of anything.
The biggest point of always buying, be it ammo, components, whatever, all along, good times or bad, need or not, is that you wont suffer in the shortages, and youre always pretty well stocked.

Even during the shortages, I was still ordering stuff, even if it was out of stock when I ordered, and my orders were put in the queues and were shipped when it came back in stock, and I came up in the queue.

There were always components coming on a regular basis, when everyone else was bitching about not being able to ever find anything.

What I had from when things were plentiful, carried me through when things were thin or even nonexistent. And even then, things were still always coming, to replenish what I was using.

I was always shooting pretty much what I always do, every week, feast or famine.

If you wait until its panic time, youre basically screwed, and really have no one to blame, but yourself.
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1000 rounds in combat , not likely unless you are shooting belt Fed guns. Then you can go through a thousand pretty fast.

But a soldiers load out is 10 mags. That’s 300 per person. If you have 2 adults in your family 600 would give you two load outs. Some vets I’ve talked to said they liked to carry an extra loadout of Ammo in the humvee when they could. So that’s 1200 for 2 adults. Then you need back up. So that’s 2400 per 2 adults.

Of course post SHTF people will still need to train , zero and test weapons.

Plus shooting for fun. I know you may think recreational shooting would stop after SHTF. But ask yourself this, is a world without recreational shooting worth surviving in ? So stock pile and extra 100k rounds for that. But most of it can be 22lr
Dude, I bought a pallet Jack to move my ammo and I carried 600-800 rounds (not counting pistol ammo) in Iraq.
Your not hav I g to argue ME into 'more ammo'

I was talking g bare minimums, and naturally you'd 2x per shooter.

JMHO, YMMV.


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EVERYONE has extra ammo in the hummers
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3-5 (thousand) for each of your main weps in there respective caliber (per person).

Estimated cost (per 1000 in USD):
9mm - 160
45ACP - 250
5.56 - 250
7.62 US - 550
7.62 AK - 180

Sub-Cal:
22 LR - 32 to 36
12 Ga Buck - 64
Where are you getting 1000 rounds of buckshot for $64? maybe you meant $640? or am I missing something?

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