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View Poll Results: Which pistol calibers are your top two choices when SHTF?
.45 ACP 161 27.52%
.40 S&W 101 17.26%
9 mm 332 56.75%
.380 10 1.71%
.357 SIG 12 2.05%
10 mm 22 3.76%
.45 LC 8 1.37%
.38 Special 36 6.15%
.357 Mag 133 22.74%
.22 LR 138 23.59%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 585. You may not vote on this poll

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To me a pistol is a backup so. It is a last resort when diplomacy has completely failed, you have no long gun, and the BG is right in your face.
As was brought up in another thread you might need to be able to shoot the pistol with either hand due to a wound.

So having a pistol caliber as large as you can stand that you could fire with either hand would be my guess. There is a point about a small caliber having more rounds to fire, but if you have limited magazine size at 10. I would rather throw out 10 big ones than 10 little ones.
since human being are not geletin cubes and have bones a few extra grains in a bullet certainly cannot hurt. You may only clip someone, but with a heavier bullet hitting bone you have better chance of breaking it.

a 22lr pistol for huntind when you have a 22lr rifle would kinda be a waste.
I see no real purpose for this gun, since constant practice with the gun you are going to use is going to hopefully give you some edge.
when I am not sure I rent a gun and try it. You really have to decide on cartridge first. That is a cheap way unless you have a friend that will let you borrow.
Then it is easier to decide the type and manufacturer of the gun.
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.45 all the way. I have pistols of all major calibers but the .45 is the one I'd be willing to bet on. The 40 & 9 hollow-points might expand but the .45 will never shrink.

Price is not bad if one shops around. Just got a Taurus 1911 Stainless with Pachmayr's and Novak sights on a swap for a Browning HP 40 cal. Got $550 for the Browning and the 1911 was only $609.

Keep a couple of 40's and 9's just in case ammo is more available for them in the future tho.
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I agree with your choices of .22 & 45 ACP. Rimfire will take out a multitude of targets and where that won't the centerfire will.
Both have more than passed the test of time with flying colors and hopefully I'll never need to use my 45 in similar scenarios that it has excelled at!
Parts for a 1911 are plentiful and it is very easy to completely take down and fix if something does break.
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There is no "one best pistol caliber" it's how you employ it in specific use, where you are, where you plan to go if anywhere and what you plan to do in general.

For one person a .22LR will suffice for another a .44mag will do. Some other will be better served calibers in between.

It also depnds on what type of handgun chambered for the caliber you chose.
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springfield xdm in 40 cal w/9mm conversion barrel and 357 sig conversion barrel and a few 19 rd 9mm xdm mags and 16 rd 40 cal mags. If only they made a 22 LR conversion kit! Maybe ill just get a ruger 10/22 charger and a couple 50 rd ramline mags for it to fill the 22 rifle/pistol role
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springfield xdm in 40 cal w/9mm conversion barrel and 357 sig conversion barrel and a few 19 rd 9mm xdm mags and 16 rd 40 cal mags. If only they made a 22 LR conversion kit! Maybe ill just get a ruger 10/22 charger and a couple 50 rd ramline mags for it to fill the 22 rifle/pistol role
A .22lr kit was in te works for the XD for a few years. They finaly made a proto and said it was to be released like two springs ago...
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Probably a .22 LR.
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As much as I like the large frame autos, I'll have to go with the .357. The choice of ammo is broad, the revolver is simple to operate in a panic, never jams. And, of course there's the matching lever rifles to keep the ammo situation simple. All around the most practical.
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G22 or G23 in .40. Ammo is $13 a box and AVAILABLE at Wal-Mart. I can use my G22 mags in my G23 or a sub-2000, I have plenty of ammo, and i shoot it weekly. All of my holster and carry gear is interchangeable, and I can convert to 9mm if needed.
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A conversion kit for a 45 acp 1911 to a 22lr with adjustable sights is close to ideal if you can carry the extar parts and weight .personally,i have too many excellent semi -autos but------------------------------------------------ if i could only carry one handgun ,it would be my s &w 686 .357. I can shoot everything from shot shells ,wadcutters ,
.38 special ,to full power magnum loads.
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I meant no common pistol round. 500 S&W, 50 AE, 454 Casull are not common, nor practical.
Because it is not practical for you, does not mean that it is not practical for someone else.

If someone is able to buy 2,000 rounds of 500 S&W ... then it is practical for them. The rounds are out there ... the expense is the biggest factor.

If that is not a factor for someone, then why would it not be practical?
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It's up to the user. There isn't a 100% correct answer. It depends on the user and the $ you have on hand to spend. I would suggest a common round (like everyone else has to this point) like a 9mm, .40, .45, .38/.357, and .22.

I like the .45 and .22, at this time it would cost way too much to go another direction. I have several .45 pistols and a lot of ammo for that round. It doesn't mean that's the best option for others.
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Whatever you can accurately shoot is the best gun for you. Shot placement is more important than bullet size. Even a .22 will serve you well with proper shot placement. It is far more important to be accurate.
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Because it is not practical for you, does not mean that it is not practical for someone else.

If someone is able to buy 2,000 rounds of 500 S&W ... then it is practical for them. The rounds are out there ... the expense is the biggest factor.

If that is not a factor for someone, then why would it not be practical?
Exactly, it all depends on $ and what is practical to you.

I view practical in four basic sections, based on how the gun and its accessories fit in these will determine if I see it fit to buy.

-Price (gun and ammo).
-Reliability.
-Battlefield accuracy.
-Weight (ammo and gun).
Everything else is settled when I test it out like ergonomics and how well it fits me.
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I'm still going with my 9mm Stoeger Cougar, It's a common caliber, all sorts of ammo options, economical still and just fun to shoot. Plus its the gun I have!! no sense in pining away after a gun I can't have, instead I'll stick with the one I do have since I can go out and shoot it now.
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9mm, more ammo out there than any other handgun caliber.
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Marlin 1894 and Smith&Wesson 686 in .357 magnum. They will get the job done.
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I think it is between 9mm and 45 ACP. I have both, but if I had to pick one it would be 45 ACP. 9mm will be easier to scavenge when your own supply runs out, but 45 ACP might be available as well. My reason for preferring 45 ACP is you don't need to shoot expensive hollow-points to make it an effective defense round. The cheap FMJ ammo will still make a big hole without expansion and is still an effective man stopper. Can't really say the same for 9mm. And the higher capacity doesn't matter as much to me either since you have to put twice as many rounds on the target to get the same stopping power as one round from 45 ACP. But the biggest reason I like the 45 ACP is that is what the 1911 shoots!

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My reason for preferring 45 ACP is you don't need to shoot expensive hollow-points to make it an effective defense round. The cheap FMJ ammo will still make a big hole without expansion and is still an effective man stopper........
Really..... Where did you get your data?





Relative difference between 9mm, 40, 45


Now you tell me which one is better with nearly identical penetration...... Also the difference in width thing is BS.

Pistol calibers are terrible, and both require a hollow point.
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Really..... Where did you get your data?





Relative difference between 9mm, 40, 45


Now you tell me which one is better with nearly identical penetration...... Also the difference in width thing is BS.

Pistol calibers are terrible, and both require a hollow point.
Well I think you are half right.

In light that people are not perfect gelitin cubes I offer the following link

http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi-hwfe.pdf

Read after this has been read.

I know there are many schools of thought. One is the 9mm has a larger volume of rounds in a mag so therefore more opportunities for a hit to occur.
The 9mm has a higher velocity to make up for it's lower bullet weight.
The 9mm has a smaller recoil so it is possible to shoot it faster.

OK now lets consider a human target with a knife closing on you at a run. and lets consider that he starts at 25 yards that is 75 feet.
OK the 9mm has already lost %20 of its velocity, and the .45acp has lost about %10. An important point is the .45 is twice the weight of the 9mm
If you look at the ballistics of most rounds I am being generous to the 9mm with the percentages. Over 50 yrds the .45 only loses about 50 fps where as the 9mm loses 300 fps.
Now lets consider the composition of the human target, most of the centermass incapacitating organs are surrounded by muscle and bone. If you hit frontally it is nessecary for the bullet to penetrate up to 12" on a good sized human frame before a vital organ is ruptured.
If you carefully read the paper on the link I copied above you will see some interesting info about how a human target behaves when hit.
Even if you hit and do fatal damage to the heart the target will not be incapacitated for another 3 seconds. Now if you did not hit the heart on the first 2 shots the target will close on you. Basically no measurable volume of fire with the 9mm is going to be gained in a short distance attack which is almost a certainty given the pistol is the weapon being used.
Now through in other factors out of the shooters control, such as being able to penetrate solid object obstructing center mass hits.
Hollow points are not a good choice when the composition and the randomness of the engagement is thrown in. Moreover hollow points may cheat the shooter out of a vital organ hit because of there shallow penetration.

check out the link from the FBI. In the end pistols should not be a primary PDW, a long gun is nessecary.
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