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given standard 00 buck. The pattern will be at least 20" wide. remember pi r squared? the 20" diameter means a 10" radius. 10x10 is 100x 3.14, 314 sq inches, divided by 9 pellets means 35 sq inches for each pellet, on average. The 10" circle of a man's vitals has just 78 sq inches. So you get 2, maybe 3 pellet hits. At that range, they are hitting about like a 38lrn from a snubbie, at 10 ft (ie, not very effective at ALL) The man can be standing sideways to you just as easy as full frontal. He can be a skinny meth head teenager, (ie, 8" wide) average that in with a 12" wide guy, crouched, using cover, etc, That's why we picked the 10" circle for the IPSC target vitals, btw)

Many guns, will have a 25" wide pattern at 25m, or 20" at 20m. different loads, different barrels, different pellet sizes, pattern differently. Also, your pattern will not be centered on the guy. If you were going to take the time to do that, with $1 a shot slugs or buck, you'd be the type to practice 10x as much with 223, suppressor and .22lr training, 6c per shot, shot-timer, conversion unit, cause it's a far more versatile rig than any shotgun.

At 5 yds from the muzzle, (ie, in your home) the pattern will be just 4-5" wide, so you'll have to aim it just like you would a
rifle. A shotgun is nothing like as effective and easy to use as people "think" it is. The blast is horrific indoors, so you'll need earmuffs (electronic, both ears, so you can tell where sound is coming from) and the flash at night is so bad that it will dazzle your eyes for at least a full minute, too. The shotgun does not handle like any fighting rifle, safety's different, etc. So training with it is "un-training" you for the rifle. bad idea, since the shotgun is nearly worthless for shtf.
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given standard 00 buck. The pattern will be at least 20" wide. remember pi r squared? the 20" diameter means a 10" radius. 10x10 is 100x 3.14, 314 sq inches, divided by 9 pellets means 35 sq inches for each pellet, on average. The 10" circle of a man's vitals has just 78 sq inches. So you get 2, maybe 3 pellet hits. At that range, they are hitting about like a 38lrn from a snubbie, at 10 ft (ie, not very effective at ALL) The man can be standing sideways to you just as easy as full frontal. He can be a skinny meth head teenager, (ie, 8" wide) average that in with a 12" wide guy, crouched, using cover, etc, That's why we picked the 10" circle for the IPSC target vitals, btw)

Many guns, will have a 25" wide pattern at 25m, or 20" at 20m. different loads, different barrels, different pellet sizes, pattern differently. Also, your pattern will not be centered on the guy. If you were going to take the time to do that, with $1 a shot slugs or buck, you'd be the type to practice 10x as much with 223, suppressor and .22lr training, 6c per shot, shot-timer, conversion unit, cause it's a far more versatile rig than any shotgun.

At 5 yds from the muzzle, (ie, in your home) the pattern will be just 4-5" wide, so you'll have to aim it just like you would a
rifle. A shotgun is nothing like as effective and easy to use as people "think" it is. The blast is horrific indoors, so you'll need earmuffs (electronic, both ears, so you can tell where sound is coming from) and the flash at night is so bad that it will dazzle your eyes for at least a full minute, too. The shotgun does not handle like any fighting rifle, safety's different, etc. So training with it is "un-training" you for the rifle. bad idea, since the shotgun is nearly worthless for shtf.
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given standard 00 buck. The pattern will be at least 20" wide. remember pi r squared? the 20" diameter means a 10" radius. 10x10 is 100x 3.14, 314 sq inches, divided by 9 pellets means 35 sq inches for each pellet, on average. The 10" circle of a man's vitals has just 78 sq inches. So you get 2, maybe 3 pellet hits. At that range, they are hitting about like a 38lrn from a snubbie, at 10 ft (ie, not very effective at ALL) The man can be standing sideways to you just as easy as full frontal. He can be a skinny meth head teenager, (ie, 8" wide) average that in with a 12" wide guy, crouched, using cover, etc, That's why we picked the 10" circle for the IPSC target vitals, btw)

Many guns, will have a 25" wide pattern at 25m, or 20" at 20m. different loads, different barrels, different pellet sizes, pattern differently. Also, your pattern will not be centered on the guy. If you were going to take the time to do that, with $1 a shot slugs or buck, you'd be the type to practice 10x as much with 223, suppressor and .22lr training, 6c per shot, shot-timer, conversion unit, cause it's a far more versatile rig than any shotgun.

At 5 yds from the muzzle, (ie, in your home) the pattern will be just 4-5" wide, so you'll have to aim it just like you would a
rifle. A shotgun is nothing like as effective and easy to use as people "think" it is. The blast is horrific indoors, so you'll need earmuffs (electronic, both ears, so you can tell where sound is coming from) and the flash at night is so bad that it will dazzle your eyes for at least a full minute, too. The shotgun does not handle like any fighting rifle, safety's different, etc. So training with it is "un-training" you for the rifle. bad idea, since the shotgun is nearly worthless for shtf.
Is this three paragraphs of bull**** derived from actual personal experience, or simply your own special brand of rectal regurgitation?
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Many guns, will have a 25" wide pattern at 25m, or 20" at 20m.
This would be correct if you were shooting WW2-era guns and ammunition.

With Federal 9 pellet 00 buck FCS in at 25 yards all 9 pellets hit in the 7 ring or better of a Police B27 target using a stock Remington police shotgun with 18-inch barrel.

How many MODERN police shotguns and loads have YOU patterned?

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LMAO. I had my TAC 14 out today shooting clays in the back yard. With 1 1/8oz and 1 1/4oz 7.5 and 8 shot I was hitting fine pretty far out. Looking down the top of the firearm like I would if it had a full stock. Shot some federal steel game and target 6 shot 1oz and range was a bit farther out on good hits. It’s a solid 25 yard gun with LE132, LE127 and LE133 adds a few yards. F127 is good a little closer. I’ve had a few crows get too close and get blasted from the sky with the 26” overall length firearm and 14” barrel.

This dudes a whack job. I’ve been present for 12 gauge and 5.56 and 9mm, 45 shot indoors (and others) during work and by far 5.56 is the worst and for some reason 45 is a bit louder than the higher psi 9mm. The Federal LE buckshot loads barely have a faint orange glow for muzzle flash in the dark (from a 14” barrel). The OP sure does think he can think some facts. They’re bat**** crazy is what they are.
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Dealing with Gunkid is like watching a naked, drunk guy lay on the ground and pi$$ straight up in the air!
First thing I thought of was gunkid as well. Joined this month, over 100 posts and sounds like a retard- yep, wonder who that could be? I thought I'd read somewhere that stupid SOB had croaked though.
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First thing I thought of was gunkid as well. Joined this month, over 100 posts and sounds like a retard- yep, wonder who that could be? I thought I'd read somewhere that stupid SOB had croaked though.
Same here. The problem is Gunkid wasn't even an entertaining troll.

Fred...now THERE was a troll!
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First thing I thought of was gunkid as well. Joined this month, over 100 posts and sounds like a retard- yep, wonder who that could be? I thought I'd read somewhere that stupid SOB had croaked though.
Maybe he keeled over after a marathon session playing Call of Duty in the basement.
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LOL, another keyboard warrior. Call of duty taught this guy everything he knows......
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I think a Call of Duty gamer would be more knowledgeable on such matters.
I think we have a full blown Halo player here.
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Damn i hate those games, i always die.
Im glad huntin season aint as hard as the video games. Them damn deer in the games gotta be wearin full body armor.
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LOL, another keyboard warrior. Call of duty taught this guy everything he knows......
All joking aside, battlefield 4 got more fun for me after taking AMIS by shivworks, and angles and depth works in video games, too!
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I have never played a single such game. You have never even patterned such loads and barrels, or you'd know that I'm correct.
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I have never played a single such game. You have never even patterned such loads and barrels, or you'd know that I'm correct.
Go buy a box of federal flitecontrol and shoot it then get back to me.
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I have never been out of mom's basement. Nor have I ever even patterned such loads and barrels, you know that I'm correct.

Fixed it for you.
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I have never played a single such game. You have never even patterned such loads and barrels, or you'd know that I'm correct.
I've posted more videos and pictures of shotgun buckshot patterns on here than I can count. Go experience doing.
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