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I took my new DPMS LR308T to the range this weekend. I was using PPU M80ammunition for the first part of the break in. It was accurate and reliable. Not one single feeding or extracting issue.

Then, I switched to ZQI 7.62x51. I have used ZQI in my 5.56 rifles with good luck, but not in my AR10! I suddenly was unable to make any sort of consistent grouping. It was so bad that I have never seen ammunition cause such an accuracy problem. I went from making 2" sized groups at 100 meters to not even hitting paper. I was getting jams with every shot for a a few rounds in a row (looked like the bolt was short stroking). I tried the ammo in a different mag and then shot the rifle off of a lead sled. Same result. I was shooting ZQI from a lead sled at 100 meters and the shots were not grouping within a foot of eachother! Jams kept up no matter which mag I used.

Then, I switched back to PPU M80. I was back to making neat little groups on my point of aim and did not have any failures. When I switched back to the PPU, I noticed that the recoil was demonstrably greater. The gun felt like it had gained a lot of power. Bullet weights were the same between each brand of ammo (147g approx.).

I am going to pull some bullets and start measuring the remaining ZQI ammo to figure out what in the hell is going on! Anybody else have an issue like this? Was it a bad batch or does ZQI suck at making 7.62x51?
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American Pioneer black powder substitute – looked a lot like cat litter in the powder measure. Shot a lot like cat poo too …

I think it wasn’t getting enough pressure to seat the boolit skirts into the rifling – made Minnie balls fly like punts rather than passes
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Once bought a case of Herter's steel cased ammo (headstamp was Tulammo) and nearly every round failed to cycle properly. Every other ammo type tried after that cycled flawlessly with no cleaning or mods to the gun. Took it back to the store where I bought it for a full refund.
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Went to take the class for my CCW, grabbed a box of monarch 9mm that I had on the shelf to use for the shooting part. Maybe one out of three rounds fired, the ones that did fire stovepiped. I switched to my carry ammo and finished firing, after it was over, I picked up all the FTF rounds and they all had decent primer strikes. the next day I took the few that I had left, tried in different pistol and they would't work there either
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I took my new DPMS LR308T to the range this weekend. I was using PPU M80ammunition for the first part of the break in. It was accurate and reliable. Not one single feeding or extracting issue.

Then, I switched to ZQI 7.62x51. I have used ZQI in my 5.56 rifles with good luck, but not in my AR10! I suddenly was unable to make any sort of consistent grouping. It was so bad that I have never seen ammunition cause such an accuracy problem. I went from making 2" sized groups at 100 meters to not even hitting paper. I was getting jams with every shot for a a few rounds in a row (looked like the bolt was short stroking). I tried the ammo in a different mag and then shot the rifle off of a lead sled. Same result. I was shooting ZQI from a lead sled at 100 meters and the shots were not grouping within a foot of eachother! Jams kept up no matter which mag I used.

Then, I switched back to PPU M80. I was back to making neat little groups on my point of aim and did not have any failures. When I switched back to the PPU, I noticed that the recoil was demonstrably greater. The gun felt like it had gained a lot of power. Bullet weights were the same between each brand of ammo (147g approx.).

I am going to pull some bullets and start measuring the remaining ZQI ammo to figure out what in the hell is going on! Anybody else have an issue like this? Was it a bad batch or does ZQI suck at making 7.62x51?
I have about 2,000 rounds of ZQ1 through a PTR 91 F model and DSA Fal 58 with zero issues, ran a bit hotter than Lake City, and was about as accurate.
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white box winchester .It was so rough that all it would do is hang up, and FTF an My AR 10. thought i had screwed up on the headspace it was so bad. this is a pic of some of the rounds.

bought 6 different brands, loaded 7 magazines (last one with the winchester white) it cycled every round till i got to the last one.
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Remington Thunderduds. 'nuf sed.
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Remington Thunderduds. 'nuf sed.
You might check your firing pin, I've never had a misfire from the Thunderbolts

Now Federal OTOH, I've had quite a few but not in a lot of years. (maybe cuz I'll buy anything but)
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"USA Forged" 9mm was filthy, your hands literally turned black just loading it into a magazine. I ended up tumbling it, washing it and blow-drying it. Will never buy again. I should have known when they used "Forged" in the name of ammunition, like they used tiny little hammers to forge the shells.

Yugo 8mm from the 70s rarely worked in my German Mauser until I replaced the spring. I had 600 rounds of the stuff ... it had worked great in my Yugo Mauser.

A commercial reload .223 round exploded inside my AR and blew the magazine out. No injury.

My VZ.2008 wouldn't feed HP, even with a tiny HP (124gr) even after polishing the feed ramp. But that's the gun's fault, not the ammunition.
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Of late, and not so much loaded ammo, but primers. I got a bunch of Remington small pistol primers, 10,000+ for cheap, $20/1000, and when shooting them, I see why. Every outing with them so far, and I have 2-3 duds. Great for practicing failure drills, not so much for confidence in Remington.

Winchester primers in my autoloaders didnt work out very well. Normally I use CCI's, but back during the last round of shortages, I had to settle for a 1000 Winchesters. Still have most of the box now too. Pretty much every mag will give at least one, three to four round "burst".
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The worst ever was some Freedom Munitions 9mm JHP that was having case separations in multiple guns. I also have had issues with Tula .223 in an M&P 15, where the gun wouldn't cycle. Other ammo worked in the M&P, and the Tula worked in other guns.
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1) any kind of bulk .22
Many fail to fire in 3 different guns

2) Tula 9mm
Several fail to fire in a high point pistol

3) Win White box
Nuff said
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Winchester 22 shells, not enough power to cycle the action on my 10 22, well over a third failed to fire at all.
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Tula .223. I've been running a new PSA 16" build. It has eaten everything I have fed it flawlessly. On the last 2 consecutive range trips, it has locked up on Tula, BAD. Both times I had to pull the charging handle and slam it repeatedly to get the bolt back. Then proceed to pound it out with a rod. The second jam is still there, soaking in oil for the last 24 hours. It is a PITA.

Only reason I tried a second time, is a bought a bunch after Sandy Hook, cheap. Sitting on at least 1,000 rounds of the crap.

Other than that, Winchester 5.56 NATO. The crap looked like it was fished out of a brass bucket at the range. Dings, dirty, ect, for only $12 a box to! PMC X-TAC all the way.
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I forgot. One of my first ammo purchases. I asked the owner of a LGS for the cheapest 9mm he had. It was some ancient surplus with acrylic stampings. Half wouldn't fire, and the ones that did had a velocity of about 350 fps. Surprised I didn't lose an eye on that one.
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Mag Tech reman. = 2 kabooms
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Tula small handgun primers. Bought a few thousand several years ago when components were scarce. Maybe it was just a bad batch, but I'd estimate around 5% being duds. On a more positive note, I am very adept at clearing ftf's now. Luckily I only used them for practice rounds.
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white box winchester .It was so rough that all it would do is hang up, and FTF an My AR 10. thought i had screwed up on the headspace it was so bad. this is a pic of some of the rounds.

bought 6 different brands, loaded 7 magazines (last one with the winchester white) it cycled every round till i got to the last one.
I second the 9mm white box junk. I bought a bunch of it one time and had nothing but issues. I had recently did some internal work on a 9mm and thought maybe I caused the issues. FTF one after the other. I switched to Tula that I had in my range bag and good to go. Flash forward to sighting in a 9mm Rifle and same exact thing. I ended up giving the ammo to the range and told them about the issues. I have also heard a few friends say the same thing after I told them about my experience with the ammo.
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Brown Bear 9mm. it was cheap and i was new to shooting. after a day of shooting the the casing got stuck in the barrel. seemed like the lacquer coating melted or something. soaked all night and i still had to use a dowel and a hammer to pop it out.
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Am I the only person who has never had trouble with WWB?

Tula .223 gave me gunk, but thats what better ammo is for.
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