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I'm picturing a modern blunderbuss. All you have to do is go loot the nearest hardware store if SHTF and grab all the crap nobody else wants, like carpet tacks and staples. Then turn around and serve it to 'em hot if they give you any lip about it. You could hunt with it, too- just use one of your ghillie suits and wait for a deer to walk by you and blow it full of broken glass and metal, it should fall over dead no prob. Probably no good for long range, but I could be wrong. Does anybody know the ballistics of a fork or how much powder I would have to use to launch it to 500 yards out of a 16" barrel?
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This just gave me a much needed laugh! So much so, I read it 3 times! Just picture this dude with his blunderbuss shooting forks at a dear!!! In a ghillie suit! That is some funny ****!

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it is actually better IMO to have some sort of black powder firearm, if you plan on prepping for a long term event.

the reason being brass is impossible to make with out the proper factory equipment.

Saying that the 12 guage shotgun is probably a better choice. it can shoot black powder, smokless powder, slugs and hulls can be made from paper.


i do'nt think it is possible to launch a fork at 500 yards though :-/
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I have an acquaintance who will probably take along his replica .50 Kentucky caplock as his MBR. I can't seem to convince him that modern arms of almost any decent caliber would be a better choice (smokeless, better range and accuracy, moisure worries). BP arms may have their place in peacetime and for hunting, but there are many reasons they are not unsed as MBR's in the modern world.
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It always comes downnto survival or battle as a survival rifle it would be decent i think the op was being funny but seriously you could melt down a lot of things to be bullets and make your own powder the primer being the issue so a flint lock might be best there as a battle rifle i dont see myself battleing only defending in semi close quarters shotgun ar and pistols i think ruleing out any weapon is foolish and black powder is a tried and true hunting rifle thats for sure
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I have an acquaintance who will probably take along his replica .50 Kentucky caplock as his MBR. I can't seem to convince him that modern arms of almost any decent caliber would be a better choice (smokeless, better range and accuracy, moisure worries). BP arms may have their place in peacetime and for hunting, but there are many reasons they are not unsed as MBR's in the modern world.
I suppose if it got down to it, and muzzleloaders were all ANYBODY had, they would be gladly used as MBRs as they were for hundreds of years.
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Any of the larger smoothbores would make a decent addition. You can use shot in them, scrap metal, etc. And they still shoot a solid lead ball with fair accuracy. Enough to take birds on the wing and still plant a deer or elk within reasonable distance.
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The funny part will be getting all that crap out of the deer so you can munch on it.
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As we have said many times before, BP is just another option in a well thought out plan.

When the "real bullets" start running low bagging a critter for the pot with a BP firearm would streach you supply for a long time.

The animal does not know or care what you shot it with.
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I don't think any body has or ever will accurately document the ballistics of a fork in repeated tests.

That being said, muzzle loader just seems like a pain in the ass weapon to use. Why not just get a single barrel shotgun and a bunch of slugs/buck shot?
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I don't think any body has or ever will accurately document the ballistics of a fork in repeated tests.

That being said, muzzle loader just seems like a pain in the ass weapon to use. Why not just get a single barrel shotgun and a bunch of slugs/buck shot?
The fork would not only kill the deer, it would allow you to walk right up and take a bite ...

Seriously, I think the OP is at least partly joking ... but the reason you might want a black powder weapon is because it frees you from reliance on factory brass and primers. With a decent workshop and supplies, and reasonable luck eg nothing crucial breaks, you could continue to use a muzzleloader for years without anything from anybody.
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Does anybody know the ballistics of a fork or how much powder I would have to use to launch it to 500 yards out of a 16" barrel?
forget a fork and use a knife blade, if you hit'em right he'll already be gutted by time you get to him.
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It was done on pirates of the Caribbean right into dudes wooden eye, i would start there for your tests and find out what they used, granted that was a cannon but similar i'm sure...
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It was done on pirates of the Caribbean right into dudes wooden eye, i would start there for your tests and find out what they used, granted that was a cannon but similar i'm sure...
OMG you are so right! I'm going to rent that movie and watch it tonight and take some notes. A blunderbuss is really just a small cannon anyways.
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Ok then somebody please recommend me a good choice for a BP alternative weapon when my brass, bullets etc run out.
I assume Flintlock, but what caliber? Model? Manufacturer?.....Thanks.
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Unless you have a flint lock weapon then you will still be relying on a factory to make your primers and they are made of brass. You could stock up on a bunch. They are cheap and take up little space.
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All you need is a conductor, a leaf blower, a vacuum cleaner, and a fire hose nozzle. Put them together the right way and you can shoot anything out of it. Forks, knives, plungers, basketballs, even cups and plates.
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