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Old 08-19-2011, 07:43 PM
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I have read two different schools of thought as far as aquiring & maintaining a SHTF stock. I have a pretty basic arsenal, but it suits my situation. The standard 22lr,12 guage,a simple & durable defensive/hunting rifle(sks) & 3 handguns in .45ACP,10mm & .380ACP. My question is would it be beneficial to get a 9mm & perhaps mini 14 or AR as those are more common calibers or just stock more for what I've got? It would probably be easier to barter with a more common caliber. On the other hand if more people have those common calibers, it would seem those supplies would run short quicker.
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Ditch the 10mm. You'll NEVER find ammo for it when you run out. Stick with 9mm, and 45Auto. They are the most common handgun calibers used. For your rifles, 12-ga and 22LR are a must. I'd put a 308 in there as well.
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My opinion is the more calipers the better. Since I cant afford a whole bunch of high dollar guns, I got an AK and a 9mm figuring those will be among the most available if you have what they want. I pretty much buy what comes my way at a bargain.

My first gun was a 20 gauge pump(gift). wife can handle it if need be. I am looking for a 12 gauge single or double barrel just to add to the variety of ammo I can use. should be able to get a used one for $50. wouldn't mind having a single or double 20 gauge... so if the pump were to break, my ammo isnt useless.

inherited a .22 bolt action. shoots short and long. I now have over 2000 rounds. I want a 10-22. put enough holes in something... it will die and I still have the bolt as back up.

Got an AK and a 9mm (taurus pt 92) form my dad. by far my best guns I have. If I am hitting the road with a rifle and a hand gun (from my stock), this is what I am taking if there is a chance of combat. wouldnt mind getting a 9mm rifle.

most recently, I got a .32 revolver. small handgun. much easier to conceal if needed. also got a 1931 7mm mouser bolt action and a wwII 8mm mauser bolt action. paid 200 for all three.

If I was going to get one more pistol I would choose the .357 magnum. It can also take .38 special ammo.

Having both common and uncommon is the way to go. so adding a 9mm would be a good way to go.
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.308, 5.56/.223, 12guage, .45, 9mm



...and lots, and lots, and lots of it.
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Having carried a gun in my profession and lived with on the killing fields and off, in uniform and out. Stay away from non-common calibers for the SHtF guns. Wonder what cals to stock...go to Wal mart, look what they stock.

Now NARROW that gun thing down to two groups:

1) Wheels group: This group is for when I head out and have wheels under me. You can carry a LOT of guns and ammo as long as you have wheels.

2) Shoes group: This group is fro when I head out and I carry it on my back. Exp has taught me that this group is LIMITED to 2-3 guns MAX and I would suggest they not all be long guns.

My last piece of advice is to WEIGH your weapon(s) of choice along with some ammo and be PREPARED for a SHOCK! You are going to need to carry a LOT of STUFF, food, water, guns 'n ammo as a starter.

You can thank me later, but in testing we KNOW that a soldier can carry 20% of body weight, thats 40 lbs for a 200 lb man. We also know we can push this to about body weight = carry weight. And YES you do need to be in shape for that. But there is a problem, as your carry weight increases so does your caloric burn rate. Think that load under heavy stress and your intake climbs to around 10,000 cals per day REQUIRED to sustain.

Plan and TEST the plan you will not regret it.
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My vote is to get a 9mm even if you have to sell one of your other handguns to raise the money.

The caliber certainly has its haters, but everyone should own at least one 9mm handgun and as much ammo as they can afford if for no other reason than it is a universal, high-demand platform. Someday, it may be the only pistol caliber you can find ammo for. I predict at some point 9mm related stuff will be a form of currency.

It's just too popular of a caliber not to have.
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If you have any problems just pick up the weapons that you liberated from your aggressors. Get what you want and train to use it well.
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It can't hurt to buy one.
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My vote is to get a 9mm even if you have to sell one of your other handguns to raise the money.

The caliber certainly has its haters, but everyone should own at least one 9mm handgun and as much ammo as they can afford if for no other reason than it is a universal, high-demand platform. Someday, it may be the only pistol caliber you can find ammo for. I predict at some point 9mm related stuff will be a form of currency.

It's just too popular of a caliber not to have.

Agree

My Glock 19 is my longest-owned sidearm - don't think I'll ever sell it. I'm actually thinking about a Glock 17 as a primary sidearm SHTF option!

(The .45 in the closet just screamed at me )

I love .45, but I can just pop everything fast with 9mm
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long guns 12 ga pump doubble semi you choose rifle 22 cal and 308 or 30-06.
hand gun 22cal 45 acp and 9mm jmo
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For handguns 9mm and 45ACP.
For Rifles .223 and 308.
For Shotguns 12 gauge 00 buckshot and 7.5 birdshot.
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Stick with 9mm, and 45Auto. They are the most common handgun calibers used.
I think this was good advice 20 years ago...and might still be the case outside the US.

Try calling your local and state police and ask what they use. Check with the sheriff. I'd be willing to bet the majority use .40 S&W. It follows that most new service pistols being introduced are first and foremost designed around .40 caliber (the M&P is a good example).

Among US agencies, .40 surpassed both the 9mm and the 45 several years ago. It was developed by the feds and the local agencies followed suit. As a result, ammo manufacturers make production of .40 a priority. For instance, during the last ammo shortage .40 was still widely available while the other two were tough to find.

All of that being said, the 45 is a fine choice and I don't think you need to change your handguns around. Just have plenty of 45 on hand and you're good to go.

For rifle - definitely get something in 5.56. For the same reason above...ALL US agencies use it in some form or fashion.
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Being a novice at having to live in a battlefield there is a love hate concerning common and uncommon rounds .
In my original opinion I felt that because of the popularity of a round it would dissappear most quickly. For instance ,if you go t a shooting range you can hear .22s popping off like fire works ,they can't seem to burn through them fast enough .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..................
Where as a round that is fairly rare like .454 you might hear . . . . . .
making every shot count.
I'm fairly consirvitive in my shooting but i'm different .
Point is "I think " in a post appocaliptic event , the ididots will be blowing ammo like crazy , and the most common stuff is going to go first.
Now the guy that has the reloading equipment and knows how to use it is a whole different thing. Even so He is not going to be wasteing shots .
Sence .22 and 117hmr are not reloadable, once it is gone there is no more point in holding onto something unless you can make it perform for some other function.
This is where a break open barrel shot gun can shine , with a plug /primer adaptor it can shoot black powder.
Rule is, use the worst first, and save the best for last.
At least to me it seems that way.I'm just a dumb civillian.
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Your within 1 hr drive lets do a meet and greet than you can test fire some stuff and then deside what you need or what you want.
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I agree with most comments here... most of your common hand gun rounds are going to be the 9mm .40 and .45. I think like skyjump said the .40 is becoming more popular. Personally I have 2 9mm (glock 17 and Beretta 92D and on a waiting list for the Ruger LC9) My thoughts on it are unless your jacked up on PCP or something once that 9mm round hits you, your gonna stop and think twice about continuing. That and the rounds are cheap.

I like the AR platform. You can do a lot to customize it and with proper shot placement you can take down most any critter 2 and 4 legged variety. (is why its currently the longest running military main battle rifle here in the US) You can even find the AR in 308 if you want the heavier round. I have 2 uppers a .22 and 5.56 both set up with the same scopes, sights, barrel types etc. Same price to shoot 500+ .22 and 20 .223 or 5.56

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I think this was good advice 20 years ago...and might still be the case outside the US.

Try calling your local and state police and ask what they use. Check with the sheriff. I'd be willing to bet the majority use .40 S&W. It follows that most new service pistols being introduced are first and foremost designed around .40 caliber (the M&P is a good example).

Among US agencies, .40 surpassed both the 9mm and the 45 several years ago. It was developed by the feds and the local agencies followed suit. As a result, ammo manufacturers make production of .40 a priority. For instance, during the last ammo shortage .40 was still widely available while the other two were tough to find.

All of that being said, the 45 is a fine choice and I don't think you need to change your handguns around. Just have plenty of 45 on hand and you're good to go.

For rifle - definitely get something in 5.56. For the same reason above...ALL US agencies use it in some form or fashion.
.40 is a compromise round. You know what they say about compromises. Since I'll NEVER own a 40 cal slow and weak, I'll stick with my tens of thousands of rounds of 9/45. 45 gets hard to find, 9 never has.
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You want to keep it simple! Not to many odd calibers and make sure your group or how many are with you have the same caliber as you do. Makes it simple. Same pistol calibers and rifle and shotgun ammo. 9mm,223,308,12 ga,.22.
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"You want to keep it simple! Not to many odd calibers and make sure your group or how many are with you have the same caliber as you do. Makes it simple. Same pistol calibers and rifle and shotgun ammo. 9mm,223,308,12 ga,.22."

Agreed! KISS principle applies, especially to guns and ammo.
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Wow am I the only one that finds no use for a 9 mm except for target practice. My favorite gun is a glock 23 in 40 cal.
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RE the blackpowder post. ANY centerfire rifle/shotgun can shoot blackpowder. You do not even need to resize if you use empties from the same gun.
Reprime, fill with black powder, stuff an appropriate sized LEAD bullet or ball on top and presto! The 30/30, 45/70 etc were designed around blackpowder. That dram equivalent on the side of a box of shotgun shells means that the mfg used just enough of the right smokeless powder to equal the performance of that many drams of blackpowder!

You do not need a musket if SHTF and no smokeless is available. Just a good supply of primers. You will not get 4,000 fps but it will work and is easier/cheaper.
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