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Deb, read post #56 again.
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If you look into it, you'll see that while God tolerated this behavior from David and Solomon, he was not well pleased with it, and both David and Solomon came to much grief as a result. God chose to tolerate certain things in the old testament for reasons unknown to us: just as a husband could write a bill of divorcement against his wife for any cause and remarry "Moses suffered you for the hardness of your hearts". Jesus said that in the beginning it was not so, and all of that comes full circle in the new testament. God let some things slide in the old testament, but you'll not find an example of a Christian man or woman having multiple spouses in the new testament. I challenge you to find one.
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Deb, read post #56 again.
I did, makes sense, the Bible always made sense, and truth, thanks,, I enjoy your post, bless you.
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Unlike sodomy, there isn't a single scripture that calls polygamy a sin.

Now it certainly makes things complicated and because of such complications bans polygamists from church leadership. It is perhaps this that has led the overwhelming majority of Christian teachers from the time of Christ to disagree with polygamy.

However if you're strictly going on what the Bible has to say, all homosexuals go to hell. This is clear from the old and new testaments. You cannot even begin to make such a cause against polygamy.
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I've always wondered about this. Polygamy is all through the Old Testament and nowhere to be found in the New. I wonder when it changed and why?

Then again, there is a long stretch of time between the Testaments and the Nation of Israel was scattered to the winds during that time.

It is an interesting question.
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Unlike sodomy, there isn't a single scripture that calls polygamy a sin.

Now it certainly makes things complicated and because of such complications bans polygamists from church leadership. It is perhaps this that has led the overwhelming majority of Christian teachers from the time of Christ to disagree with polygamy.

However if you're strictly going on what the Bible has to say, all homosexuals go to hell. This is clear from the old and new testaments. You cannot even begin to make such a cause against polygamy.
Not only did I begin to make a case against polygamy, but I did make a case against polygamy (see post #56). I'll recap it for you here.

When Jesus was questioned about divorce, he said about marriage that "the two shall become one flesh" (Mt 19:5). And He also said that "whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

Now, I make my case against polygamy this way: Jesus showed how marriage is to be between one man and one woman. That was His description when He said "the two shall become one flesh".

He also said that a person commits adultery when they have more than one spouse (even when one or more is an ex). This is the net affect of what He said about marrying another woman after divorcing the first. The only difference in polygamy is that the first wife was not divorced, she is still with the husband. However, although not explicitly stated that polygamy is forbidden, when one looks at what Jesus was actually saying, marriage to more than one person at a time is forbidden. By "more than one at a time", I mean that the former spouse is still living. In other words, Jesus does not consider divorce to be valid as a means of removing the nuptial bonds of matrimony, except in the case of the spouse cheating on you. So, again, the heart of His quick lesson to those who were (are) listening was that marriage is between a single man and a single wife FOR LIFE. Even divorce does not remove the bond.

See also Mark 10:2 Some Pharisees came up to Jesus, testing Him, and began to question Him whether it was lawful for a man to divorce a wife. 3 And He answered and said to them, “What did Moses command you?” 4 They said, “Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away.” 5 But Jesus said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment. 6 But from the beginning of creation, God made them male and female. 7 For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother, 8 and the two shall become one flesh; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”

Paul expounds on this teaching in his letter to the Californians (I mean, Corinthians). Paul said that it is better to not marry at all. Because we can better serve the Lord when our attention is not divided between Him and a spouse (7:32-34). He also said that the body belongs to the Lord (6:13). However, so that procreation may continue and so that we might keep from burring with lust, marriage is permissible for the follower of Christ (7:9).

So, I submit the following case for biblical guidelines concerning marriage for God's people:
  1. It's best to not marry so that we can wholeheartedly serve the Lord without distraction.
  2. If we cannot keep from burning with lust, it's better to get married so that our urges are satisfied.
  3. Marriage is to be between one man and one woman for life.
  4. Divorce does not remove the restriction of one spouse for life, except in the case of infidelity.
  5. Since polygamy is the taking of more than one spouse for life, it is forbidden.
  6. Since one wife divides our attention from the Lord, how much more divided are we with two, or three, or more wives?

With this I contend that polygamy is instant adultery, pure and simple, because the man has taken on another wife for a reason other than infidelity on the part of the first wife.

That's what I call "a case". If you would like to present your case to the contrary, I'll check back again and we can begin the debate. Before you do, though, you might want to reread the Sermon on the Mount to get a good impression of Jesus' thoughts on adultery.

Matthew 5:27 "You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery’; 28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

This tells me that adultery was committed even before the polygamous wedding took place!

Clearly, polygamy is going in the wrong direction regarding holiness (abstaining from sensual pleasures).

If you wish to engage in debate on this, you might want to first try finding an example in the Bible of a follower of Christ who had two wives, which was sanctioned by God. That would bolster your position quite a bit I would think.
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My case against polygamy isn't that it will send you to hell; simply that it is not what God wants for us in this life.

Also, to say that all homosexuals go to hell is to say that all liars go to hell.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

We are all sinful. None of us will inherit the kingdom of God - unless we are covered by the blood of Christ. To be covered by the blood of Christ does not mean that we cease to sin. Sanctification is a lifelong process which is never complete before death.

See also 1 Timothy 1:8 We know that the law is good when used correctly. 9 For the law was not intended for people who do what is right. It is for people who are lawless and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who kill their father or mother or commit other murders. 10 The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching 11 that comes from the glorious Good News entrusted to me by our blessed God.
12 I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has given me strength to do his work. He considered me trustworthy and appointed me to serve him, 13 even though I used to blaspheme the name of Christ. In my insolence, I persecuted his people. But God had mercy on me because I did it in ignorance and unbelief. 14 Oh, how generous and gracious our Lord was! He filled me with the faith and love that come from Christ Jesus.
15 This is a trustworthy saying, and everyone should accept it: “Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners”—and I am the worst of them all. 16 But God had mercy on me so that Christ Jesus could use me as a prime example of his great patience with even the worst sinners. Then others will realize that they, too, can believe in him and receive eternal life. 17 All honor and glory to God forever and ever! He is the eternal King, the unseen one who never dies; he alone is God. Amen.
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Talmud and Gilgamesh are not in my Bible, hence they are not the Word of God.
Seriously? They are what "your Bible" is based on... Jesus was a JEW... Just because some Romans dictated what went in and what got left out doesn't mean they are not THE WORD OF GOD.... As to poly it is pretty much the accepted way of the Bible. I think Paul in talking to the Leaders was saying the church should be their only wife... But that was Paul's personal opinion not a mandate from GOD.
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Now, I make my case against polygamy this way: Jesus showed how marriage is to be between one man and one woman. That was His description when He said "the two shall become one flesh"....
Yes, but since the SCOTUS not long ago stated that a corporation (i.e. a body of multiple members) is legally "a person", i.e. a single person, a polygamist could justify marrying multiple spouses by stating that he/she didn't marry multiple spouses but a single corporate entity, i.e. a single body comprised of multiple members.



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Yes, but since the SCOTUS not long ago stated that a corporation (i.e. a body of multiple members) is legally "a person", i.e. a single person, a polygamist could justify marrying multiple spouses by stating that he/she didn't marry multiple spouses but a single corporate entity, i.e. a single body comprised of multiple members.



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that's....actually....a brilliant idea.

still, i'm told the chinese symbol for bad luck is two wives living under one roof, and i'm not willing to test the theory
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Yes, but since the SCOTUS not long ago stated that a corporation (i.e. a body of multiple members) is legally "a person", i.e. a single person, a polygamist could justify marrying multiple spouses by stating that he/she didn't marry multiple spouses but a single corporate entity, i.e. a single body comprised of multiple members.



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Good luck getting Christ (Who is infinitely above the SCOTUS) to sign off on it.
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