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This is the United States. Our nation was formed because of civil unrest against the British many years ago. There has never been a time in our nation's history when one group or another was not plotting some form of civil unrest against Washington, their local government/state government or nearby neighbors. Most of our civil unrest happens at the political level and not at the armed violence levels.

The thing to remember is that when we need to do so, we will dust off our rifles and go to town. The last time it was done was back at the end of WW2 in Athens, Tennessee. That fight was called, "The Battle of Athens."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle...ens_%281946%29

While we have a desire for peace, we will on occasion arm ourselves and fight. Right now I think that we are building up steam before "The Big One." When we finally do pop, I don't see it as being a little fight at all. It won't a local bash at all. It will go national and the cost will be in the millions of lives but that won't be for a few more years.
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The Right believes in the Rule of Law. The Right honors the Constitution. The Right generally has the stance that we can agree to disagree. The Right is generally better behaving.

This makes the Right appear weak..... In fact, the Right is incredibly, quietly strong. You're right that it will take a lot for the Right to be drug into armed conflict.


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It's obvious the right is better behaved than the left, just as obvious, the left receives the same constitutional protections as the right. Yet they rail against the very documents and system that not only allows them to behave like idiots, it protects them. That's pretty messed up.
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It's obvious the right is better behaved than the left, just as obvious, the left receives the same constitutional protections as the right. Yet they rail against the very documents and system that not only allows them to behave like idiots, it protects them. That's pretty messed up.

Though it is the rule of law, which we can't shy away from otherwise we're not much different then the anarchists!
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It's obvious the right is better behaved than the left, just as obvious, the left receives the same constitutional protections as the right. Yet they rail against the very documents and system that not only allows them to behave like idiots, it protects them. That's pretty messed up.
It is a standard part of their operating plan to use the law against us. In some cases called law fare.

They care nothing about the law and ignore it when it suits them but will attack conservatives on any infraction.
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It is a standard part of their operating plan to use the law against us. In some cases called law fare.

They care nothing about the law and ignore it when it suits them but will attack conservatives on any infraction.

I'm not so sure about that, I would agree the same freedoms I enjoy to peacefully go about my business are the same freedoms others would use to behave badly. That's a given.


The less restricted my freedoms are the less restricted theirs are. Put another way the more freedoms we as a people enjoy the more mischief the left can get into. It's the price we pay.


The left will never give up and the right will never give in. It's like a stalemate in a way, one that has existed for a very long time and to upset that balance would be catastrophic to both sides. There would be no winners, only survivors and the survivors would be a sad lot indeed.
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The less restricted my freedoms are the less restricted theirs are. Put another way the more freedoms we as a people enjoy the more mischief the left can get into. It's the price we pay.


The left will never give up and the right will never give in. It's like a stalemate in a way, one that has existed for a very long time and to upset that balance would be catastrophic to both sides. There would be no winners, only survivors and the survivors would be a sad lot indeed.
The balance is upset now, that is what this thread is about, and things are on the slippery slope to that catastrophe.
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The balance is upset now, that is what this thread is about, and things are on the slippery slope to that catastrophe.
Yep and that slope is heavily greased.

It used to be that the far left was a small minority ignored by the majority of Americans (both Dem and Rep) but they have managed to change America to where something like 45% pay no taxes and almost a third of the population gets handouts from the .gov. Where the battle cry of "free stuff" is resonating with a ever growing percentage of the population and socialists are openly taking over the Dem Party and spewing anti-American rhetoric.

Unfortunately at this time, absent a CW there is really not much hope for the historical America and our grandkids (possibly even our kids) will live in a version that would have been unthinkable even just a generation ago.

Though since this thread is almost three years old it seems the OP was a bit ahead of the curve.

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My usual routine is to eat breakfast at a restaurant early in the morning. I'm usually the first one. While eating I read my newspaper, (now on an iPad), but I also like listening to conversations to get the "buzz" of the community. Our town is mostly working guys, who patronize the restaurants.

The tone has changed in the past few years. At first there was concern, and then slight aggravation when many of them found out that "you can keep your doctor" was a lie, and now they were paying much more.

Toward the end of the Obama years there was the discussions about how certain groups had favor over others. One of the UAW guys mentioned how if you were Willie Nelson and owed money, you had to pay. If you were Al Sharpton and owed the fed money you could keep it and not fear the government.

When 2016 hit, there was some jubilee, but then as soon as the democrats started up their non-stop attacks, the tone got much dire. It was pointed out, (accurately), that one side could commit crimes and not be held accountable, while the other side was guilty with no proof.

By 2018 there was anger, and for the first time in June I heard the words "Civil War", as well as "Coup".

Just last week I heard the words "revolution" and "civil war" mentioned again.

Mind you, these are not my words. And while I don't pick I fight, if push to defend I will. But the time-line does shows that the average citizen has just about came to the point where we could be seeing problems.

Judging from the talk, I think if the present BS in Senate continues, and if there is nonsense at the polls, we could be looking at an ignition source for public unrest.

I understand the concern of people, and their anger; and I can see why. I hope it doesn't spill into violence. But people have just about had their fill of our reps and the dysfunctionality, and barring a calm public discourse, usually someone fires and it's "Katy bar the door".

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From what I've been seeing/reading on the television/internet, (I don't watch television, just use it as a means to obtain information), to what I've been hearing being discussed among peers/coworkers, it looks to me that emotions are being pushed to the breaking point. People are willing to resort to violence to get their point across.
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My usual routine is to eat breakfast at a restaurant early in the morning. I'm usually the first one. While eating I read my newspaper, (now on an iPad), but I also like listening to conversations to get the "buzz" of the community. Our town is mostly working guys, who patronize the restaurants.

The tone has changed in the past few years. At first there was concern, and then slight aggravation when many of them found out that "you can keep your doctor" was a lie, and now they were paying much more.

Toward the end of the Obama years there was the discussions about how certain groups had favor over others. One of the UAW guys mentioned how if you were Willie Nelson and owed money, you had to pay. If you were Al Sharpton and owed the fed money you could keep it and not fear the government.

When 2016 hit, there was some jubilee, but then as soon as the democrats started up their non-stop attacks, the tone got much dire. It was pointed out, (accurately), that one side could commit crimes and not be held accountable, while the other side was guilty with no proof.

By 2018 there was anger, and for the first time in June I heard the words "Civil War", as well as "Coup".

Just last week I heard the words "revolution" and "civil war" mentioned again.

Mind you, these are not my words. And while I don't pick I fight, if push to defend I will. But the time-line does shows that the average citizen has just about came to the point where we could be seeing problems.

Judging from the talk, I think if the present BS in Senate continues, and if there is nonsense at the polls, we could be looking at an ignition source for public unrest.

I understand the concern of people, and their anger; and I can see why. I hope it doesn't spill into violence. But people have just about had their fill of our reps and the dysfunctionality, and barring a calm public discourse, usually someone fires and it's "Katy bar the door".
I do believe this is True,it`s Coming and I think this Impeachment Craze by the left will be the driving force for the ignition point. They`re asking for it and they`re just liable to get it!. God Bless America!.
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The balance is upset now, that is what this thread is about, and things are on the slippery slope to that catastrophe.
Then it's a good thing I'm into being prepared, as far as the balance being upset, I'm not so sure that's all of what's going on. Maybe some of it is and maybe some of it can be laid off on naturally occurring change that favors neither the left or the right. Technological advances have a way of doing that.


There are so many ways things can go sideways and yes civil war would be one of those way, yet to be so certain that there will be a civil war, is like putting the blinders on and ruling out all the other screwed up thing that could happen instead.
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From what I've been seeing/reading on the television/internet, (I don't watch television, just use it as a means to obtain information), to what I've been hearing being discussed among peers/coworkers, it looks to me that emotions are being pushed to the breaking point. People are willing to resort to violence to get their point across. Just read this article and thought I'd share this.



http://monetarywatch.com/2017/01/uni...-civil-unrest/



This is one of the many reasons why we've been preparing. Stay safe everyone.
Your link you put up is not working.

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It has been said we are a nation united. I disagree. We were but now are no longer united. The issues are too irrational and too profound to be settled by compromise. They can only be settled in one of two ways. Peacefully separation or with another revolution. If we choose separation then perhaps over time, with reflection, patience and diplomacy there could be a reunion. If separation won’t work, then we face a civil war or another revolution.
These are some of the issues that continue to divide us if not healed.
The left embraces infanticide. The right is anti-********.
The left wants to repeal the Second Amendment. The right embraces that right in its entirety.
The left has embraced the alphabet people agenda. The right finds it repulsive and disgusting.
The left demands open borders. The right respects the sovereignty of our country and want to protect it.
The left has a huge contingent that despises the country, our history, our ethics and our morals. The right respects our history, all of our history, and see the left destroying our moral compass, our religions and our nation.
The left wants to eliminate our law enforcement agencies. The right knows they are needed and fully support them.
The left wants unlimited, undocumented, unrestricted immigration of everyone. The right wants the immigration laws to be followed.
The left is constantly attacking free speech by calling all speech they don't like hate speech. The right knows the First Amendment covers all speech including speech you don't like.
The left wants to destroy Christianity and replace it with Secular Humanism
The left wants to replace what is left of democracy with it total socialism. The right respects our Republic and the Constitution.
The left cannot win elections without using dirty tricks. The right wins on merit.
The left wants a dictatorship that controls every aspect of every citizen’s life. Where to work, what to live in, what to use for transportation, what to eat, where to get medical service and even what to say or think. The right expects everyone to be independent, to earn and work and make it on their own.
The left wants to expand the government's cradle to grave entitlement programs to everyone. The right wants to reduce everyone's dependencies on government.
So yes the country is divided and the division grows. The left is intransigent and will not ever compromise or work with the right. Nothing demonstrates this more than their current hatred of our president and their efforts to destroy his administration and his attempts to make America better.
Now the question you should ask yourself is what will happen to our country if this division continues to grow.
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I am going to assume that Donald J. Trump will be the last Republican President in the United States regardless of the outcome of the 2020 election. This assumption is based on the radically changing demographics of the country, the continued exposure of our college aged youth to the re-education camps known as our colleges and universities, the growing urbanization and liberalization of the major metropolitan areas of the nation and the incorporation of 20-40 million illegal aliens that will likely either vote (and least some percentage of them) despite their lack of citizenship or because once in power the Socialist/Communist/Democrats will ensure that they are legalized in some fashion.

If my assumption is correct, then the real question becomes the willingness of the conservative Constitutionalists to put up with the Socialism/Communism that will be forcibly inflicted on them. At that point in time, the left will be screaming the same things the right is currently saying, “You can’t overturn a duly elected President, Congress, etc.” Thus, the choice before freedom loving men and women will be subservience to the elected Socialist/Communist order or rebellion against it. On that choice rides the existence of a free Republic.
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I am going to assume that Donald J. Trump will be the last Republican President in the United States regardless of the outcome of the 2020 election. This assumption is based on the radically changing demographics of the country, the continued exposure of our college aged youth to the re-education camps know as our colleges and universities, the growing urbanization and liberalization of the major metropolitan areas of the nation and the incorporation of 20-40 million illegal aliens that will likely either vote (and least some percentage of them) despite their lack of citizenship or because once in power the Socialist/Communist/Democrats will ensure that they are legalized in some fashion.

If my assumption is correct, then the real question becomes the willingness of the conservative Constitutionalists to put up with the Socialism/Communism that will be forcibly inflicted on them. At that point in time, the left will be screaming the same things the right is currently saying, “You can’t overturn a duly elected President, Congress, etc.” Thus, the choice before freedom loving men and women will be subservience to the elected Socialist/Communist order or rebellion against it. On that choice rides the existence of a free Republic.
You are Correct AND this is Why a Not so Civil War is now upon us!. The Left Wing Morons Must be Defeated NOW and these Kids Re-educated to be Educated about the Constitution AND The Bill Of Rights. The American Republic can Only be saved Once!. If the libtards Win it`s ALL Over and we become the Slaves of the Left. Hell NO!. What say YOU?.
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IMHO the most important prep is popcorn , turn on the TV with a big bowl and watch the purge live on the news at least till the power goes out. Now if one hears gunshots getting closer.or smells smoke Going to defcon1 might not be a bad idear. JMHO and S/FI!
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This is the United States. Our nation was formed because of civil unrest against the British many years ago. There has never been a time in our nation's history when one group or another was not plotting some form of civil unrest against Washington, their local government/state government or nearby neighbors. Most of our civil unrest happens at the political level and not at the armed violence levels.
To further the historical point, our national anthem depicts a war battle at the pinical with rockets and bombs. Our country is 240 years old and we have been at war for almost all of them. Let's be honest with ourselves, it's in our DNA... We are war-like people.

British, indians, french, ourselves, germans, japanense, koreans, vietnamise, middle easterner nations...
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Remember, all law is the protection of property rights, all else is policy and policy requires consent. Those who surrendered / waived property rights have nothing that government can secure. All that remains is the imposition of policy (rules and regulations).

The predators, parasites and plunderers abhor unity and mutual defense of property rights of their prey. They prefer to divide and conquer. They relish conflict and petty squabbles that prevent their victims from identifying the real tormentors who seek to despoil, confiscate and dominate.

So any conflict is a smoke screen to hide the "real" predators who are setting up conditions to finalize the socialist revolution of 1933, when "St" FDR declared a state of emergency that ended constitutional government.
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Senate Report 93-549
https://archive.org/stream/senate-re...3-549_djvu.txt
War and Emergency Powers Acts
"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years (as of the report 1933-1973), freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency."
FREEDOMS ... GUARANTEED BY THE CONSTITUTION ... HAVE BEEN ABRIDGED BY LAWS ... UNDER EMERGENCY RULE ...

Constitutional U.S.A. (1789 - 1933) R.I.P.

Americans have lived under a two party perpetually indebted benevolent communist totalitarian police state dictatorship* using emergency rules for 86 years (as of 2019) ... and still haven't a clue that the constitutional government has been dead since 1933.

<< * You're currently living under the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America. * No constitutional money * No endowed rights * No private property * Full compliance with the ten planks of the communist manifesto * by your consent * >>

And yet, the promised republican form is still on the books as the law of the land. All endowed rights are still protected - for those who retained them. Which means that those who DID NOT CONSENT to the PDSRA have no grounds to "ALTER OR ABOLISH" the current regime.

Until consent is withdrawn, no remedy exists.
After consent is withdrawn, no remedy is necessary.
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I don't see such an event happening, especially now that the new sheriff is in town. The Left controls a majority of the media outlets and of course will concentrate on sensationalism and promoting their agenda. They'll continue their dishonesty but millions of us now have the evidence to back our claims that the Left colluded with the media to control both the message and the people. The media operates in the same detached manner the Democrats do, not giving a damn about anyone that's not their liberal, bi-costal buddies. They forget or ignore the common man in the "flyover states" and it bit them in the ass this time!

If you want to see the real direction in which this country is now heading, just look at the last election map. The damn thing had more red on it than a Chicago emergency room floor on a hot summer night! And since Obama was elected, the Democrats have lost over a thousand political positions in state and federal governments. There are more of "us" than there are of them, and when the rioters come marching down our streets throwing fire bombs at our homes and attacking innocent people that don't agree with their Socialist agenda, "us" won't be using water cannons and pepper spray for crowd control. (And seriously, when has screaming and repeating silly rhymes ever changed policy?)

Trump won the electoral, and damn near the popular vote. States that rarely if ever voted anything but Democrat, fell like dominos to Trump. Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, hell, even Minnesota almost went for Trump! I'm not naive enough to believe that our troubles as a country are over because after all, it's still run by politicians, but I do believe a new direction has arrived for us. A vast majority of working Americans are finally fed up with paying thousands of their hard earned dollars into a government they have no say in, and doesn't represent them. We're sick and tired of seeing our taxes misspent, wasted, sent to other countries, and paying for citizens here that can work but won't. We're tired of being lied to, of being told we're "vile, evil people" because we think it's completely unacceptable to allow a gender "confused" person to use the bathrooms where our children go. We're tired of being ridiculed and attacked because we choose to believe in God. We're tired of seeing our children leave schools indoctrinated and more ignorant than when they started. We're sick to death of Political Correctness, and of having our Constitutional rights trampled like Walmart shoppers on Black Friday. The lies and propaganda of the Progressive Left are exposed, and not only was the emperor naked, he had a little ****!

Clinton(s) and Obama did more to promote the Conservative cause than any Republican ever could. They proved to America their Socialst agenda doesn't work here, just as it doesn't work any where in world. Hillary's arrogance and ignorance were on full display for the world to see when her and Podesta's emails were hacked and released. You know how we could tell they were truthful? Because the Democratics attacked the messenger, not the message, to distract from the terrible things they say and do!

I think (pray) if Trump does all that he promised to do, especially term limits, building the economy and securing our country, he'll get another term. If we continue to achieve what we will without government burden and control, Pence could be next. And if the Democrats continue to blame their issues on everyone and everything but themselves, they might not regain any power for decades.

One can dream it can happen!

Yesterday online, I heard Hilary say that she was considering running in 2020. If she does she will assure a Trump win. And the MSM will giver her lots of coverage.
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I consider myself more liberal than conservative because I believe as was stated in the Declaration of Independence, "All men are created equal," when it comes to people who don't happen to share my skin color; and I don't believe in tax cuts and other help for the extreme wealthy; I believe we have a great inequality of wealth in this country; I do not vote according to the party line; I believe that all citizens, not just the wealthy, should have access to good health care; I believe that a woman has the right to do with her body as she wants; And I believe that climate change is probably the world's biggest threat.

I am not a democrat and was a registered republican for 50---some years until Trump was elected when I became unaffiliated. The last party-candidate for president I voted for was Nixon. I am not anti-firearms, and I'll die before I give up mine. I trust no one in government. And I think most politicians or even businessmen who say they are not politicians, are in it for the control, something that has not changed for thousands of years

But just because this country seems to be divided by hatred, I am opposed to going into a civil war, because most people are not prepared with what could come, regardless of how prepared they think they are. I'm old enough and have enough physical problems that I won't last long even though I am well prepared. We need to get along, but I don't see that happening.

Earlier this morning I talked to a neighbor on the phone about what I have outlined here. He is definitely, so he said, a conservative, Trump supporter, anti-********, anti-LGBT, republican fundamentalist Christian. But he never knows what is happening in the world, has no guns or the ability to shoot them, has lots of food storage, a generator, but is not worried in any way because God will protect him.

This country is in a mess and has been for many years. There has been only a few months in our history that America has not been in a war and both parties seem to want continual war. And I,too, believe civil unrest is on the horizon.
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A few off the wall observations:

Civil Wars are not "civil"
Civil Wars are unpredictable. The outcome likely will not be what you want.
Research Civil War outcomes.

An old military saying: "The battle plan never survives first contact."

I could go on but you get the gist.

The reason these sayings persist is they hold true.

The point is, yes, prepare for disaster but don't depend on your plans for what happens during and after, they will probably be obsolete.

Be Prepared and Be Flexible
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